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Is it possible we see another shocking WR trade by Oct 30th?

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    2 years ago it was Randy Moss who the team knew was not going to be playing here the following year so they traded him in a shocker in October.

    Is this year going to have another one?...will Welker be traded on or near the deadline which would explain everything about why Edelman is getting so many early carries over him....perhaps in preparation of a larger role for Julian later this year?

    Its possible,but I certainly am not ruling it out

    The Pats are also low on draft picks next year and I can see them getting an early extra pick or two this way.

    Patriots May Be Preparing Wes Welker For Trade: Fantasy Implications - SBNation.com

    Sorry for another Welker thread,but my premise is a bit different than the others.
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    I doubt it.

    If he was traded would the Pats still have to pay his franchise salary? If not then the new team would and essentially would only have him for this season right? As such he'd be a free agent free to go elsewhere right? Or am I wrong?

    If that was the case I can't imagine why anyone would want to trade for him. Esp when they don't know if he will actually work in their system.
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    I am not sure about the franchise tag,actually no idea

    If anything as Pats fans,we know one thing....The team and Belichick are unpredictable,no one saw it coming 2 years ago.
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    The strategy of not playing Welker may backfire in a series of losses.
    If the Patriots fall out of contention, they might very well trade Welker.
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    But my question is...is there intent on already getting Welker prepared to be traded in the works by getting Edelman more into these games for more experience as the season progresses?

    We all know Welker,nor Belichick would ever let on if it in fact was happening.

    Unless the franchise tag stops this possibility,I can't say its impossible

    However the Hernandez injury could derail those plans if they in fact were going to do something.
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    For God's sake, can we please stop extrapolating, on the basis of three plays, that the Patriots were planning to keep Welker on the bench all day?
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    For all the conspiracy theorists who are saying BB is grooming Edelman to replace Welker on the cheap,

    don't you realize that Edelman is also playing on the last year of his contract?

    That by giving JE so many more snaps, you would make him more expensive to re-sign, if saving $$$ was the big goal?

    Wouldn't it make more sense, if BB thought Julian could do it next year, to bury Julian on the bench and squeeze every last drop of productivity out of Wes Welker before you sign Julian on the cheap, with no stats to justify a starter's contract, next year?

    The conspiracy arguments just don't make sense.

    Maybe they are playing the players that best fit the game plan and that are the most healthy and prepared to execute that game plan.

    But I guess that's not juicy enough.
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    It was always my understanding that the only prohibition on signing a franchise player to a long term deal after the deadline related to the team who franchised him. I know Florio blathered to the contrary months ago, but he's often wrong. As I read the new CBA it seems to say the same thing. Depends on how you read these things. I'm asking around to see if someone with league sources can confirm or deny this. I can't think of an example, but that would likely be due to the fact that teams seldom trade that player let alone that late because you can't generally get anything that will help you this late and because most teams are at their own internal spending and or cap limits (and they would have to absorb the franchise hit at least momentarily).
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    Welker is under the franchise tag and cannot renegotiate a long-term contract with any team in the NFL. The Patriots could only trade him to a team that wants him for the rest of this year only. The deal would be stupid for both teams- the Pats would probably get a late round draft pick and the trade partner would get a player for 10 games that doesn't even know their offense.
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    Apparently, there are some "holes" that are open to interpretation. As an example, there was a "ruling" that the rule about being franchised three times is not on a per-team basis, but on a per-player basis (e.g., if the Pats franchised Welker again in 2013, any team that franchised him a third time would have to pay him top-5 QB money).
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    So let's assume they did trade WW. JE goes down the next game. Who's your backup slot receiver? Hernandez is out. Winslow has a knee that could be fine but I wouldn't trust it. That's not Branch's position at this stage. There's no Branch on another team to make a second trade with. If Stallworth or Gaffney were worth it they would still be here. I don't see how there's any truth to these rumors given the lack of depth in the receivers.
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    I know you are mocking in good fun, but there REALLY IS A SITUATION HERE with Wes. If you shouldn't talk about it on a fan messageboard, where should you talk about it?
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    Who did we have in 2010 for the long ball when Moss was suddenly gone?

    My point is never say never...when they knew Seymour wasn't going to return the next year they did a trade...when Moss was known not to return they did a trade.

    I don't know how Welker would be any different if they decided to go that route.

    If Welker is not out there for 60 or more snaps against a top conference team this sunday night with no Hernandez and less depth,it will further implore the possibilities into October.
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    I am so sick of this....:bricks:
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    I think we are all sick of this Welker thing,we all want to turn back the clock and see that 1,500 yard season again return and a full time Wes......
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    How do you figure "no one saw it" after Randy Moss had that melt down during a press conference? Didn't everyone see it coming? I know I did and those discussions at the time expected immediate action.
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    The Chiefs.

    Brian Dabol is OC and KC is under the cap by tens of millions. KC is about the go 0 - 3 vs the Saints this Sunday and their offense has been stagnant. Then they play a hot SD Chargers and then the Ravens. 0 - 5 looks like a real possibility. Welker would help Cassel immediately in the short passing game.
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    Some of us saw it, and we got the same warm treatment as anyone who sees a potential problem with what is going on with Welker... Although I think the Hernandez injury probably eliminated that potential.
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    Pioli is under such fire right now for every former NEP acquisition he ever negotiated to KC I'm not sure he would survive dipping in that well again no matter how much sense it might make.
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    They pulled off the Branch trade so quickly they had to know they had that in their back pocket. I never said never, I said I can't see it given the depth.. The difference between Moss and Welker is production. Moss wasn't producing and Welker still is at a high level.
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    At the time,even though Moss was doing nothing,the team was without a wideout for the long ball for the first time in 3 years and still got rid of him,It was a shock.

    As far as Welker playing at a high level.....well thats true,but High Level players coming off a 1,500 yard season that are suddenly benched in favor of a bonafide 4th WR without reason means there is something very wrong......

    If anyone believes Brady's crap story about keeping guys fresh so they can go deep into the season,well I have some swampland in Pa to sell to you.

    This situation can be one of 300 theories....and only one of them 'probably' will be right.
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    It was a shock.

    He got benched for footie-gate so who's to say it's not something disciplinary and not long term.

    I don't believe Brady's story.

    I agree there's 300 theories and none of us have enough information to make an educated guess which one is right. If I'm going from most plausible to least I just don't rank a trade that high. Doesn't mean I'm right. IMO this is more a Josh and Wes thing than a Bill and Wes but that doesn't mean I'm right either. Just my gut feeling that both of them dug their heels in about something and this is the result.
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    I'll go ahead and trust Belichick to not do something so ridiculously stupid.
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    Not really.

    The fans and media love RAC, but think he has too much on his plate (no pun) trying to be DC and HC. Vrabel was popular. Cassel had his best season as Chief under Charlie Weis.

    If there was ever a time to spend some of that surplus cap space, this would be it. Welker would instantly become the Chiefs best weapon on offense since Jamal Charles is not the same pre injury.
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