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Is Del Rio just a sore loser, or are these comments more serious than that?

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  1. betterthanthealternative

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    From this morning's Globe:

    Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio took the matter one step further, suggesting on the website that Brady got what he deserved for not sliding in the first half, when defenders backed off because they thought he would slide.

    "They should have speared him then," Del Rio said. "You go face-first and you're a runner."

    So an NFL coach is advocating "spearing" as a way to punish quarterbacks who run? What's next, advocating full face mask twisting? How about clipping?

    Should he be called out on this, or should it be ignored as a sore loser's comments in the heat of the moment?
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    By saying that publicly, shows what an absolute fool he is, can anyone imagine BB saying anything like this in a public forum?? Maybe he will pay the fine for him when it comes down from the NFL office??

    Del Rio is another middle of the road HC, who will probably not be in Jacksonville too much longer.. there are tons of has beens just like him on the coaching staffs of teams like Washington, Minnesota and other mediocre teams.
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    That comment indicates total lack of class. There's no excuse to advocating an illegal play such as spearing which poses serious risk of injury to BOTH tackler and the tackled player.

    Fine if Brady goes headfirst, then tackle him, he's an eligible runner. But play inside the rules. Del Rio should have to issue a public apology for that type of comment. Sorry but as a coach in the NFL you represent the league as well as your own team. Jack Del Rio should be ASHAMED of himself.
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    I don't agree with Del Rio saying they should have speared him...but he does have a point. Defenders will tend to back off if they think the QB will slide (ala Brian Urlacker) but when they don't, they are "fair game". Brady is not Vince Young or Michael Vick where he can outrun 9 of the 11 defenders on the field. Diving for the first down may be good "heads up" "hard nosed" football. But..is it worth losing our franchise QB over it?? IMO..no.
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    Absolutely no class on del Rio's part. To advocate going outside the rules like that shows a real disrespect for how the game should be played. What an as*hole.
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    The protection of QBs has gone too far. It results in ridiculous plays like the Urlacher one where the defender is so afraid to draw a roughing penalty that a quarterback who chooses to run has an advantage.

    That doesn't mean the guys deserve to be hit illegally when they do get hit though.

    Del Rio is just frustrated that his team is out of the playoffs. He chooses to take out his frustration in a classless manner. Life goes on.
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    Looks like there will be more than one fine handed out in this case.

    If the NFL does not act out on both the player and now coach, this league is need of a major official overhaul. NO ONE should get away with such classless comments. Absolutely disgusting!
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    Remember whom we're talking about here.

    Del Rio was the star of the NFL Network show where they took the cameras behind the scenes of their training camp twoyears ago. I think it was called Jaguar Summer, or something like that.

    He's a Brian Billick wannabe - - wants attention badly.
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    1) Advocating serious illegal behavior should draw a serious fine for Del Rio
    2) Yes, the QB should hit if he runs and then slides, even it draws a penalty. I think that this is good defensive strategy, akin to hitting a receiver hard who comes over the middle. However, advocating spearing is out of line.
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    till yesterday i liked and i respected Del Rio but after reading it...

    total ZERO class...

    probably he is very very frustrated but you shoud really avoid such bad declarations...he is an head coach...

    BB is another story...
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    There is alot of frustration with the roughing the QB calls every week ... it seems they are untouchable ... when the QB runs, the defense expects they will slide, but when they don't it usually ends up as a 1st down. I agree with the premise that if a QB doesn't slide he is fair game ... to advocate spearing is another matter. Ingram knew exactly what he was doing and obviously he got some encouragement from his HC. It was Ingram who was called for the roughing call earlier in the game when he nailed Brady well after the throw was gone.

    Del Rio should be fined and suspended for the last game of the season!
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    He wrote it on the Teams website...I think it's fair to say the loser meant it!
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    I'll have to recheck the NFL Rule Book. But, I understand that "spearing " is illegal no mater if it's a QB, RB, TE, WR or any other player. It's using the helmet as a weapon.
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    Del Rio is a brain dead former defensive player. Not surprised he'd say these things. I wonder if Colvin speared Garrard if he would feel the same way.
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    Del Rio will be appropriately reprimanded with a 9:30am tee time at one of Jacksonville's finest golf clubs on January 2nd.

    I felt bad that the Jags won't get in the playoffs but the Jets will, but this guy deserves a little more vacation time.
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    Was he wearing a suit when he made those comments??
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    I totally agree...besides being a first class loser, the NFL should slap him a BIG fine..NO need to have a coach advocating such things..and warn him as well that if any of his players "spear"..the fine will be doubled!!! THAT is truly embarrassing! I also think maybe a suspension would do good...NEXT year's first game...NOT Sunday..make him pay a bit for the comments..
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    The article in question
    http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=5760
    Clearly Del Rio is reacting to the pressure of being washed out of the playoffs after a less than stellar season when the Jags were expected to be competitive with the league's elite teams. Which is no excuse for advocating an illegal play.

    The QB protection rules are Tiny Testes rules that have gone too far creating a poor product on the field, we'll have to see if the Polian committee reacts to the complaints and clarifies things for the officials.

    I expect both Ingram and Del Rio to be fined. I do not hold the spearing against the rookie yet, but I am now very curious to know if Del Rio gave some specific guidance to his defense in the event of another Brady scramble.
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    I'm simply amazed that Del Rio is a HC. Not because of his comments. That was one piss-poor job of coaching on Sunday.

    He's angry because his team that stops the rush so well, had no answer for Brady's Patriots. Del Rio got beaten for several first downs by the slowest and most awkward rusher in the NFL. He couldn't pressure Brady, couldn't (hardly) sack him, couldn't intercept him and couldn't tackle him until he'd already hit the ground.
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    I wonder why this is not in the national news, ie, espn, etc.
    doesn't seem to be getting any press
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    Ingram was the guy who was called for a late, but ticky tack, hit on Brady. I must agree with Jax that that call was bogus. I would have been furious if it was called against the Pats. HOWEVER, you do not repay a stupid call by the officials with an illegal hit intended to hurt Brady. It seems obvious from the comments afterwards that Ingram had a green light to take a shot if he got his chance, and he didn't waste it. Both player and coach should be fined and suspended for the final game for their illegal shenanigans. I couldn't believe the trash that came out of Del Rio's mouth; this is an NFL coach?
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    Typically players get fined for helmet to helmet contact. I wonder if Seymour gets fined for his contact with Garrard. If so, and Ingrim and/or Del Rio do not get fined, there should be an investigation.
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    Just because Ingram's hit was not hard does not disqualify it as unnecessary roughing the passer. He took MULTIPLE steps toward the passer after the pass was thrown and initiated contact, shoving the passer.

    Aside from that, there is a problem with all the protect the QB rules in the game. I don't have the magic solution though.

    I was shocked at Del Rio's classless and stupid rant but then I remembered Freddie Smerlas' words to Steve DeOssie pre-game, "He's (Del Rio) just a stupid linebacker".
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    Helmet to helmet calls may take place in the heat of battle and be made erroneously - there was a good replay on NFL Network's game replay showing daylight between the two helmets the entire time - as I recall the game, Sey was called for roughing the passer on a late hit, not helmet to helmet, and even if he was called for an H to H, the replays would prove there was no offense in that regard.

    The spearing on the other hand, it's on the tape and Dul Rio is on the record, pay up dummies.
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    Were I Ingram, I'd ask Del Rio to pay my fine for me after his big mouth attracted league officials necessitating action.

    Then, I'd get cut. :)
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    I lost all respect for that guys coaching ability back in 2003 I think when the Pats needed the Jags to beat the Steelers in order to help their playoff seeding. He totally mismanaged the clock and the game resulting in a Steelers win.

    I had mentioned that the coaching matchup last weekend was heavily in the Pats favor and that was clearly the case.

    These comments just reinforce this fact.
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    I hate to be a repetitive poster, but given how I feel about spearing, and how scandelous Del Rios' remarks were, I have to chime in.

    I can believe the response was out of frustration for a guy who sees his job slipping down the tubes, but that isn't an excuse. He should be fined, suspended, then FIRED, in that order. Fined and suspended for the comment, then fired for the piss poor job he's done in Jax. He has had some of the best talent in the league over the last few years and has done less with that talent than most anyone could have. (maybe with the exception of Denny Green) BTW- Kudos to the Jags GM who has done His part in getting Del Rio the talent.
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    yeah and Mike Tice step up to HC of the JJ
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    It looked to me like Ingram went out of his way to blast Brady with his helmet. It's a lot easier and more natural for a defender to come in and lead with the shoulder on that type of play. The defender can also break his own neck spearing like that. When do fines come out?

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