RIP #40 opened a hornets nest when asking a question about the racial makeup of our OL. Fencer clinched the closing of it with his post, which I think was misunderstood and knee jerked classified as a "racist" posting http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=52806 All the associated threads were closed and/or deleted. I agree with the Mods - the main board wasn't the place to have that discussion, especially given the direction it was going in. But perhaps this is the place. What intrigues me most is Fencer's attempt to offer a somewhat statistical view of the racial makeup of certain positions. What seems to be misunderstood is that he effectively said that Blacks and Whites, being of equal intelligence, will statistically show prevelance in keeping with their numbers in society as a whole - i.e. blacks will represent a statistical minority. However, he effectively gave an athletic compliment to African Americans in general stating that they are better, quicker, athletes. Is this in and of itself racist? Complimenting a race for a positive genetic "quality"? Or is it a backhanded "compliment" because it evokes images of athleticsim as a result of a race enslaved and the "strong surviving". Is this a topic that can even be discussed maturely, and without resulting in "racist" name calling? Maybe yes, maybe no - I guess if anyone responds we'll see. Personally I have to rule out 2-3 generations of slavery having anything to do with a real or percieved view of blacks being more athletic. I think scientifically such a short time period doesn't compare to hundreds of generations going back to Africa... and indeed, one has to admit the possibility that a tougher environment resulted in genetically preferred characteristics. But am I racist to contemplate the science of heredity? I don't think so - but again, all these questions and attempts to answer always seem to somehow be misconstrued as "racism" and I just can't accept the fact that such things can't be talked about and explored by smart, sane, non-racist people. I'd just like to see if anyone else has anything to say on the topic of acutal differences between races. I believe they do exist - I know they do (no one would deny that skin color is a clear genetic difference, and if skin color is a difference, why not other differences as well?) - its just that we can't talk about them I guess - and that bothers me... and even by complimenting one race, aren't we insulting another? Really, I don't know what I'm trying to accomplish by writing this - just venting that we're not evolved as a human race apparently to be able to engage in a discussion on this period. I guess its just not politically correct to discuss any racial differences - which as a rational, non-racist person, I just find silly. But I guess chances are good someone who actually is racist will wind up taking a mature topic and bringing it down - we will see.