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    Ian's Daily Blog - ESPNBoston.com’s Tim Graham reported on Monday that there may be trouble on the horizon with just a little over a week to go until training camp begins, and it could involve quarterback Tom Brady holding out when the team comes together at Gillette Stadium next week.

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    I deff don't see Brady holding out, it will get done. The whole season is in the pooper if he does. They said they were worried about vinces empty answer. He's just towing the company line and having respect for Tom not to contribute the addition of airing out Tom's business.
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    Or he really doesn't have a good feeling about it. Regardless, the mere threat of a holdout by Brady should open the wallet IMMEDIATELY.
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    The only thing we can know is that we don't know what's really going on, Clayton et al aside.

    That said, I know I'll be in a minority here for saying that I wouldn't blame Brady for holding out. Why risk injury at Training Camp if he isn't convinced that things are moving along towards getting a deal with Guarantees done? I believe that he has earned the right to go into the 2010 Season with a deal.
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    See this is where the media has really lost control of its self.

    I heard the VInce interview last week and to infer anything out of that about Brady would be ridiculous.

    His comments totally came off as someone who just went thru it himself and that he by no way wanted to make any comment on the situation good or bad it just was not his place to say.

    Hypathetical: Lets assume Vince knows for a fact Brady is gonna show up why would vince throw Tom under the bus in case Tom was planning on threating a holdout even if he had no plans to follow thru.
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    I hardly read Vince's words as "the company line." But, since neither of us know what's going on, you're interpretation is as good as mine.

    As for the whole season being in the crapper if Tommy holds out for some or all of Training Camp to get a deal done? Nah. That might have been true five years ago, but not now. Tommy, like Favre, can show up any time he wants and be ready to play.
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    It's always fun to speculate when we have absolutely no idea of what is really going on since any of us could be right, but this kind of story would be consistent with someone in Brady's camp stirring the pot a bit. It's also consistent with people talking out their asses. So, who knows?
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    If Brady wants to hold out why the hell did he show up to OTAs a few weeks ago?
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    Graham is the first one I've read in terms of reporters that have any credibility that I'd actually believe to report it, so that alone was enough to make me wonder if it's actually a real possibility. Vince's comments last week were pretty vague, but listening to the interview again from their archives this morning - I just wish he had come out and made it seem like less of a possibility.

    Obviously I'm with the majority who believe they'll find a way to get a deal done to keep him here. But after Graham's article I'm starting to wonder if it's really possible that he'll hold out. Missing practice - especially with a lot of the young guys they have coming in - definitely wouldn't be a good thing.
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    What kind of contract is possible, though? Doesn't the 30% rule or whatever make his contract in pain to try to do right now?
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    That's a little different. Being there shows good faith and also gave them an extra month to work on his contract. Only Brady and his agent know how things have gone from there up to this point - although from what's being reported it apparently hasn't gone very well. I laughed at the first column last week that Clayton wrote when it was first suggested and rolled my eyes. But the fact that Graham is reporting that he may actually holdout has me starting to wonder.
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    We're so FUBAR if Brady isn't here this year. I really hope this works its self out.
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    If this is true (big "if"), then something has gone badly off track. But, it's beyond belief to me that the Pats would have allowed this to spin out of control. For now, I'm taking a deep breath. But Wilfork's remarks are subject to a troubling interpretation (as well, of course, as to a benign one) and I am surprised they didn't get more play last week.
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    I don't think Brady will hold out, because I think he's probably willing to pin his deal to Manning's, but why would you think it's beyond belief for the Patriots to screw up/around when it comes to contracts with its players?
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    Media with nothing else to report so decide to make up something Anti-Patriot? when does that ever happen? there's about 0% chance Brady holds out.
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    Can anyone tell me why this article isn't written up as Brady and Manning Contracts looming over there clubs?

    seems to me they are both in the same exact seat yet only one of them continues to have these stories written about them. No sources, no quotes, nothing but speculation and hearsay.

    Doesn't mean in the end Tom can't holdout but until there is some real evidence of his plans then I don't see why this is being speculated for Tom and not Peyton or at all.
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    Although he should, I'd be shocked if he holds out because he just doesn't seem like that kind of player. However, I'm 99.9% positive he believes he should be the highest paid player in the NFL. If the Pats are retarded and wait until he's a free agent to try to sign him, I don't think he will give them the home town discount he once did when he was younger (unless they win the super bowl). The only way I see Brady leaving is if Moss is let go, Welker isn't the same, no young WR's emerge, the defense never develops and the team implodes like it did last season.
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    With another of its players? Sure. But, with Brady? Hard to imagine but I take your point. On the Holdout, well, we won't have to wait very long to find out.
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    If the mere threat of a holdout will open the team's wallet immediately, then it is certainly in Brady's interest to hold out for awhile and not risk injury,

    As long as Brady is with the team to start the season, the offense (and the quarterback position) will be in much better than last year when the team was top 5 offense.

    Personally, I don't think the team would be worse off if Brady didn't risk injury for a month or so.

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    Hmmmm, this isn't what I really wanted to read about after a long day of work. I can't see him holding out but wouldn't be too shocked if he did.
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    Boy, this whole thing has serious legs. Mike Silver must be proud.
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    But Graham has no additional sources besides Clayton. Clayton made 2 points:
    1) Brady and Pats are not close in contract talks.
    2) Brady has told Pats management that he wants top dollar.

    I am almost positive that both of these points are speculation with no factual basis. Clayton can throw that out there and get away with it because:
    a) The Pats and Brady aren't in deep contract negotiations...so by definition aren't close.
    b) It is unthinkable that Brady won't end up being in the top 2-3 in contract AAV...meaning top dollar.

    As for the holdout possibility, I don't agree with your assessment. You holdout for the offseason sessions when you want to make a statement. Holding out in training camp is serious business since it directly affects the ability of the team to win in the regular season. If Brady wanted to ensure a new deal was done before taking live fire, he would have pushed the issue by staying away from OTA's and mini-camp.

    The more likely possibility here is that Kraft has communicated with Brady that a deal will get done as soon as the CBA situation becomes clearer. This would have to be unofficial since an explicit guarantee would get the Pats into trouble with the salary rules. Knowing the rules of the road before doing a deal allows the Pats to maximize Brady's contract value while also maximizing the ability of the Pats to juggle other contracts to field a competitive team. Everyone wins by waiting.

    The only downside is the risk taken by Brady around suffering a serious injury. I would be shocked if Kraft and Brady haven't discussed this. I would also be shocked if there isn't a plan to mitigate the risk Brady is taking. It would be a handshake thing, but I think Brady trusts that Kraft wouldn't screw him over.

    This narrative that the Pats don't want to pay Brady market value is nonsense. There is no evidence to back it up. Irsay and Kraft are in the same position but have represented it differently to the media. Irsay saying that Manning will be a Colt and will be the highest paid player in the league. Kraft saying that Brady's situation is "complicated" and any conversations are private. In essence, both organizations are trying to put together mega-deals to keep their QB's but are hamstrung by not knowing the rules going forward. Once the rules become clearer, the deals won't be far behind.
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    well said...
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    Fair enough, and I do partly agree with you - although my feeling is that he was here under the belief that things were in the preliminary stages and did want to start working with the new players and was hoping to keep things quiet. Which clearly he did well, and up until recently things had stayed pretty quiet regarding the negotiations.

    That's actually something that I had a similar conversation with someone else recently. Obviously Brady has already experienced what it was like to have his football mortality come into play, so I'm guessing the thought of playing out the year with no extension with that risk has probably crossed his mind. Does he take the chance and play it out, or does he make absolutely sure he's got a future already in place and wait until a deal is done? That's the only other thing that I guess could obviously play a big factor here. I don't think Kraft would obviously ever do anything to hurt him if something happened - but I'm sure Brady would probably like a little more security by going into the year with this behind him.
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    You make some other good points in a long post and I agree with several of them.

    But, I doubt very much that what I quoted above is right. The only ways to "mitigate the risk Brady is taking" are either a signed contract or an insurance policy taken out by the Krafts in lieu of a contract, with Brady as the direct beneficiary in the event of injury. Since the latter is no doubt disallowed by the CBA, that leaves a signed contract.

    Brady and Kraft are both big boys and a lot of money is on the table. This has nothing to do with anybody screwing anybody else over and everything to do with a simple equation: if Brady practices or plays without a contract he is taking serious risk. I doubt very much that the Krafts are in the business of handing out "Thanks for the Memories" contracts to anyone, even Tom Brady.
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    Wilfork's comments are serving two masters. He's towing the company line by really saying nothing, and he's doing his friend Brady a favor by making comments that add fire to the holdout speculation. It's all he can do when the questions come up.

    Brady clearly wants an extension before the season, and it makes sense. He'll be playing with his youngest cast of skill players since 2002. The defense is in rebuilding mode and will likely not be a dominant group. Mankins could hold out until November. Injuries have been mounting. If Brady's numbers drop throwing to inexperienced players, if he misses a couple of games to injury, if the team sees another early playoff exit, then Brady's value is sure to decline. Playing under his current 2010 deal is risky, and he should get paid.

    The flip side is, Brady knows he'd ultimately hurt his value if he holds out of camp. Brady needs camp to build rapport with at least two out of the group of Tate, Hernandez, Price and Gonk if Welker is going to miss any time. If he misses camp, fails to learn his new recievers, then he has no options outside of Moss and Edelman. Both Cinci and New York would be able to shut the passing game down.

    My point is, a disappointing season diminishes Brady's value and fires perceptions that he is on the decline. Brady knows this, and wants what's his now. But he should know better than to hold out,
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    This whole thing boils down to the labor dispute.

    Kraft loves Brady and wants him in a NE uniform until he retires, but its Owner vs Player and the Owners want to break the players down and have them return to the bargaining table to get a CBA that the Owners feel that is fair.
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    Because Peyton is such a nice guy, and he has those great commercials everyone loves. He would never be the bad guy and holdout. :rolleyes:

    Unlike that Brady guy with the evil Pats. All he is after is super models, big money and fast cars.
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    You might be right about Wilfork's comments, but we'll never know unless he says more.

    I doubt that any team that is seriously interested in Brady would be fooled or put off by some sub par numbers for explainable reasons. This isn't a third year QB with two playoff wins trying to convince a team of his value. :)

    The only thing that would realistically hurt his value is serious injury.

    I have no idea whether he will or should hold out, but I do know that I would support that decision as a fan.
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