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Iraqis' Basra fight not going well

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    Basra was controlled by the British, until they bailed out. I believe they trained the Iraqi forces there.

    In any case, this is simply MORE reason for the U.S. led Coalition to stay. To turn Basra over to the self-appointed government of the Medhi militia, who follow a fiery self-appointed "spokesman for Allah", Maqdad al Sadr, would be total surrender to the unelected, non-democratic, bullying, strongmen of the same ilk as Saddam Hussein.

    There is either rule by the democratic process or there is not. There is no middle ground. Look at Zimbabwe for comparison: a nation pretending to have democratic rule, when one man, Robert Mugabe, is determined to stay on for as long as HE choses, and making sure of it by rigging every single election Zimbabwe has. That is NOT how democracy is done. Leaders must sell themselves to the people, and then the people will make their own free-will decision. That's it. Anything less is a farce, a false, phony, cynical imitation of democracy. Cynicism = Hell.


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    Why do warhawks and armchair warriors use the "freely elected democracy" jive as a justification for invading and occupying Iraq when right down the road, our closest "ally" is the KINGDOM of Saudi Arabia? When does the invasion of the Arab Peninsula begin?
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    For how many years after the fall of Berlin were Allied soldiers still fighting pockets of "werewolves" in Germany?
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    When the streets of Saudi are filled with hooded punks waving their RPGs and AKs, and when mortar fire threatens all people walking those streets -- men, women, and children -- then you might see me on the streets of Riyadh, manning a 50-caliber. Fair enough??


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    Fair enough? Nope...Ignorant enough of the facts, though.
    None of those things existed in Iraq before we invaded, as none of those things exist in KofSA today. What actually existed in KofSA is the actual terrorists that destroyed the lives of 3000 people and the World Trade Center. Those terrorists could not have operated in Iraq. There were no Iraqis attacking the US on 9/11, were there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

    What is it about Neocon warhawks that does not allow them to see the picture prior to our invasion and occupation. They see conditions in Iraq and think that's how it always has been. They think there were "hooded punks waving their RPGs and AKs, and when mortar fire threatens all people walking those streets -- men, women, and children" even before we got there. Our disruption of Iraq has created this environment. It didn't exist there before US boots were on the ground!
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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    If things were going as well for Mookie as CNN & you are hoping, then mookie and the iranian mullahs wouldn't be calling for a cease fire.
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    Yeah, hopefully we'll LOSE there. :rolleyes:


    I would ordinarily call you a "fukcing anti-american scumbag", but that's not nice and against the rules so, I'll just ask you........ "which side are you "rooting for"? ............
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    I would ordinarily call you "stupid idiot", but that's not nice and against the rules so,I 'will just say : we invaded iraq on lies ,and i don't blame iraqis , i blame our leaders for bankrupting our country and for killing innocents people.
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    While I don't condone the way this thread was presented, and I don't believe this news should have any semblance of a 'celebratory' tone, either way.. still... Just look at you... Bathing in your wrath pool.

    Good to see you, NY. It's been a while since the forum was graced with your sophomoric, angry, confrontational right wing slant on things.

    Welcome back.

    Perhaps next, you, or one of your allies here, will suggest the long-overdue, predictable mantra coming any day now:

    "See what happens when the Brits withdraw?"
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    #75 Jersey

    How 'bout a first class ticket to St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Compton, or the campuses of Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois, Univ. of texas, etc?

    In your example above, those places need you and your heroic "50-caliber" more than North Korea or Saudi Arabia.

    Meanwhile the confusion in Iraq (that many of us who KNOW the situation knew would occur) is spreading:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/29/iraq.main/index.html

    Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki compared the "outlaws" to al Qaeda and vowed not to leave Basra, where he is personally leading the operation, "until security is restored."

    "We will continue to stand up to these gangs in every inch of Iraq," he said.

    [Now, get THIS next quote]

    "It is unfortunate that we used to use say these very words about al Qaeda, when all the while, there were people among us who are worse than al Qaeda."
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    #75 Jersey

    Many of us question whether someone like YOU is rooting for America when you encourage the $3 trillion boondoggle that is sending OUR economy down the toilet while the US Dollar crashes and Iran, Saudi Arabia, India, China, etc. take over the world economy.

    Perhaps there are some Patriots who care about the REAL welfare of our troops (when they get home also!) and who are concerned about the future of the United States of America.

    Maybe YOU need to learn a definition of "Anti-American" before spouting off.

    Sending our troops and our economy down a one-way hole in the ground is not something for which George Bush should expect a Medal of Honor. In fact, many will see HIM as the greatest TRAITOR in American history. His old man will be seen as a far greater and wiser leader than he.
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    "Rooting for"?.....:mad:
    What? You think this is some kind of game?...tell that to the families of the dead or the dismembered soldiers that you're "rooting for" them, jackazz! Go back to your television and STFU!
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    Word out of Baghdad is that mookie has ordered the mahdi boys off the streets and to start a cease fire. I am guess eh wouldn't do that if things were going well for the bad guys IOW he is getting hsi ass kicked.

    CNN and PMSNBC are very sad.

    Hitting the MSM now:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23866765/

    Hope the Iraqi's finish taking out the garbage.
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    #75 Jersey

    So do I.

    They haven't for 6,000 years.

    We've committed $3 trillion and (more importantly) over 4,000 of our brave soldiers lives over the past 5+ years.

    In 2003, the Neocon Pied Pipers told us this would pay for itself via oil revenues and wouldn't drag on indefinitely. How much longer do you want to keep following those guys off the cliff?

    Let them do it on their own dime.
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    We paid for the cold war, was that a bad investment also? or whould we have let the communist take all of Europe amd Asia?

    Gald to see you so annoyed that moolie is getting his ass handed to him.
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    I thought this would take at least 10 years, the OWT will be a generational thing you will be long gone before this ends maybe me too.
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    Sadr's men are falling like the US dollar. Everytime they get into 4 cars with their AK's hanging out the window, a C-130 exterminates them. Sadr knows he can't fight the coalition straight up. Anyone remember Najaf? Sadr is now calling for a truce. Why? Cuz his fighters are getting wasted. The longer he causes chaos, the more reviled he becomes. The more the govt stands up to him, the more respected it becomes. It's too bad Wes doesn't actually read the news.
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    Yeah and I wanted a date with R Welch when I was 13.... Mookie is getting creamed and wants to save face. BTW as I said on Fri when the mullahs in Iran were calling for a cease fire you knew the stuff on cnn was BS.
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    #75 Jersey

    Interesting sentence right there.

    I hope we eliminate this Sadr quickly and efficiently. I don't want something comparable happening to the US Economy in order to achieve that.

    Meanwhile, Ahmedinejad counts his profits from $105 per barrel oil, spends a small % of it on arming Sadr, etc. and looks for ways to support a change in the US Constitution to allow Bush/Cheney to run fror a 3rd term.

    Why can't NeoCons ever think of the big picture?
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    Ick. If that's the big picture, sticking my head in the sand just got a lot more appealing.
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    not sure if the Iranians are that happy they import gasoline and there have been riots over the price of gas.
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    If people understood the big picture, then they'd realize what's at stake in Iraq. Whether you are someone who wanted to be there from day 1, or didn't, is irrelevent since we're currently there. This country is going bankrupt with or without Iraq. To make Iraq the scapegoat for 5+ decades of financial irresponsibility is naive. Iraq is a lot of things, not many of them positive, but it's not going to be the reason why this country goes out of business. It'll be one of many reasons. ;)
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    #75 Jersey

    Well that's a defeatist attitude if ever I saw one.

    'We're going down the tubes anyway,so lets throw $3 trillion away on a boondoggle that kills 4,000+ of our best and bravest so we can hasten the advent of Armageddon'??????

    You wouldn't be posting from the Oval Office, would you? ;)

    I completely agree with you about the financial irresponsibility of our country over the past 50+ years (on BOTH sides of the aisle) and want us to FIX them, not hasten a collapse.
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    How is what I said defeatist? Maybe you misunderstood what I said. Either that or you don't understand the big picture when it comes to Iraq. I'd prefer we never went in to begin with, but once we broke it, we owned it.

    Fixing our financial problems isn't going to happen. Bankruptcy is the only option. Did you know the last time the government was in the black was the early 1950's? We've been making minimum payments on our credit card debt, while charging more and more everytime we go shopping. It's best we go out of business and start over.
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    #75 Jersey

    You're right, I must have misunderstood somehow that you sounded defeatist.

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