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    Bad Geo Bush. Now see what he's gone and allowed to happen.

    And how many times did Iraq win under Saddam's rule??

    Gee, if this keeps up, the Dems will be doing some fancy footwork to pull those 180s they'll be needing.

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    Iraqis greet Asian Cup triumph with joyful gunfire
    Jul 29 03:35 PM US/Eastern

    Iraq erupted in joy and celebratory gunfire on Sunday when the country's national football squad won the Asian Cup and united its bitterly divided communities in a rare moment of celebration.

    Thousands of Iraqis, including members of the security forces, defied a strict government ceasefire order to welcome the team's 1-0 victory over local rivals Saudi Arabia with an intense barrage of gunfire.

    Soldiers, police and civilian gunmen loosed off long volleys of automatic fire skywards and into the waters of the Tigris within seconds of the final whistle in Jakarta, beamed live to cafes and homes across the country.

    The Iraqi victory against the three-time Asian Cup champions was a precious moment of shared national joy in a country beset by civil strife.

    [highlight] "Now it is our right to enjoy this victory that our heroic team has brought to us. They have brought us joy that we never experienced in the past, when we suffered greatly,"[highlight] said Haidar Mustafa, a Baghdad student.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070729193532.3lhy0gi0&show_article=1



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    That's pretty lame, Fog. I think most of us are happy that the Iraqi team won -- god knows, that poor country needs some good news, and people in this forum know there's nothing like a championship.

    As far as how they did under Saddam, they never won this championship, but it appears their talent has absolutely nothing to do with type of government they have:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_national_football_team

    Nice try politicizing sports, though.
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    "Lame", you say?? Then how come I have to be the one to break this on this list, almost 24 hours after it happened??? Nobody on this list knew about it before I posted it??

    The "politicization" of this event is by those who have tried to look the other way and ignore it.

    But, nice try.

    Nice link on what it was like under Saddam's regime. Makes Bush look even better than ever. Thank you.


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    I knew about it...my bookie called and told me. I won $300 ! I've been watching the Iraqi Football Club (FC Iraq) for years.
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    What!? And you didn't start a thread earlier to express your joy??



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    I don't know why you're the one, and not Harry Boy, patsfan13, or any of the other righties or any of the liberals. I suppose no one but you thought it was particularly political.

    Oh, I see, not posting something is political and posting something is not political. :bricks:

    No one liked Saddam, but as bad as he was, the people are worse off now.
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    :D

    Now, THAT would be something!!



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    Good God, people, this is what Fogbuster considers progress in Iraq. Well gee, if George Bush had just told us this war was about soccer, I'd have supported it from the start. Now where are those WMD's?
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    Given that Iraq is mentioned in probably 20% or more of the posts on this forum, and has been the central topic of conversation here since I've been involved, it seems eerily strange NOT to see any expression of joy in the victory of Iraq, in spite of its deep internal suffering.

    Of course not covering something like this is political. Don't play naive. (You know those bricks aren't real. :D)

    Not mentioning Iraq's victory in the Asian games is like not mentioning who won the race to land a human on the moon or who found the cure for "global warming". In media parlance, it's called "spiking a story", not publishing something because it discredits one's preconceived mind-set. The monopolistic cultures always use this tactic.

    Aha!! So that's why you don't want to mention it: you want to believe that the people are "worse" off now. That's your preconceived notion you bring to the table.

    If your premise were true, how could they suddenly win?? With all the "worse off-ness" they are supposedly under today, one would expect them to fare very poorly. Yet, the opposite has happened.

    Again, nice try at spin, but for the people of the world, anybody who's paying attention, your theory doesn't have the traction you may believe it does.


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    By the way, Fogbuster fails to mention that 6 people were killed during the postgame celebration. I guess that's still good news by post-war Iraqi standards.
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    I read it was four. Oh, you're giving the latest, now that the terrorists have decided they want to use yet another joyful moment to wreak their carnage.

    Anyway, the reason there are a few more deaths in Iraq is because there are a "few" more guns in Iraq than on the streets of Boston or New York or Chicago. Remember the girl who got accidentally shot and killed after the Sox won?? And every time there's an NBA or other championship won in our other big cities, there are riots out the kazoo and people are killed.


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    Your comparing the violence in Iraq to the violence after a championship game in the United States?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0707/S00368.htm
    Yea, kind of like horseshoes.
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    They were killed by bullits falling down from the celebrartory gun shots. Anyway there is some national pride going on over there right now. Shia, Suni and Kurds were all represented on that team. It's not a whole lot to build on and a bombed mosque this afternoon could dampen things. I have to think though that them winning was a positive step towards bringing that country together.
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    No no, they were killed by a car bomb. From what I've read, a bullet doesn't gain enough speed from a free-fall to kill somebody (it reaches its terminal velocity first).
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    This is what I read. I've heard of that happening before.

    Joy, Calls for Unity in Iraq After Soccer Victory in the Asian Cup

    Hundreds of pages have been ripped from the calendar since Iraqis last showed the unity and happiness that flowed across the land on Sunday.

    And it would have been foolhardy to predict a soccer team the determined Lions of the Two Rivers would unleash a flood of joy held back for decades by the dam of Saddam Hussein's tyranny and four-plus years of war since America toppled him.

    Despite a security crackdown, curfews banning vehicles, and decrees forbidding the penchant in this part of the world to grab an AK-47 and rip off celebratory rounds, people rejoiced in the streets and gunfire roared.

    But even amid the joy, tragedy struck and danger loomed.

    In just one Baghdad neighborhood, four people died of celebratory gunshot wounds. Scores were wounded nationwide, and reports of more continued seeping in.


    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3426568&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
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    I didn't bring it up, scout, somebody else did. If you want to talk about violence after the Iraq victory, you need to talk about violence after everybig sports victory. And, yes, indeed, that includes the good ol' US of A. Why is a 21-year old girl killed after the Red Sox World Series victory any LESS important than six Iraqis killed by the terrorists???



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    About a bullet's terminal velocity, whether it packs enough punch to do harm to humans:


    "A bullet's terminal velocity is the downward speed at which the upward force of air resistance acting on it balances its downward weight. Once the falling bullet reaches this speed, it coasts downward at a steady rate. Because air resistance depends largely on surface area while weight depends on volume, larger bullets will drop faster than smaller bullets (just as a piece of chalk drops faster than chalk dust). While I am not sure of the exact speed of a dropping bullet, I expect it to be several hundred miles per hour. As to whether or not it can kill someone, the answer is most definitely yes. In fact, a distant cousin of mine was killed several years ago during Mardi Gras when a falling spent bullet pierced her brain. Firing bullets into the air is an extraordinarily foolish and inconsiderate action. In cultures where it's common to fire guns during celebrations, innocent people are frequently killed by these descending "party favors." If you ever see people shooting guns into the air, you should immediately seek cover in a basement. Their bullets will return to earth in less than thirty seconds and will be just as deadly when they arrive as if they had been shot right at you."


    http://perpetualbeta.com/woifm/archive/002290.html



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    It was a tournament of all nations of Asia. It might not be Manchester United, but it's better soccer than you could play, I'd wager.

    But why do you down-play their victory?? their joy?? What could possibly motivate you to do that??



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    The girl getting killed after the Sox win was huge news around Boston for some time. The difference in that and in Iraq, was that the one girl's death was an accident, vs murder. The six deaths in Iraq were actually a slow day in Iraq, unless you include the bomb that went off killing 50.
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    The point is we're talking about soccer, yet there's mass chaos and violence in their streets. I don't care if they win the world cup, if there are suicide bombers, militiants, and secterian violence bordering on a civil war, that isn't success. It's soccer success, but not democracy-building success.

    I'm not downplaying their victory, it's a great soccer accomplishment. I just don't think a soccer victory is worth 3,500 American lives, but that's where we differ.
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    So the murder and mayhem of today's Iraq must be seen in comparison with the brutality of the Saddam regime, where hundreds of thousands were summarily executed, including Kurdish women and children poison-gassed to death by Saddam's "Chemical Ali".


    It's no accident Iraq won this all-Asia tournament with a team united with Sunni, Shi'a, and Kurdish players. And one that was protected and supported by the U.S. and the Coalition.

    Give credit where credit is due. People here want to brag on Robert Kraft, BB, and Pioli -- and rightly so! We need to recognize and give credit to the same kind of support the U.S. gave to this team from Iraq.



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    You're right. That's where we differ. Stopping Saddam's reign of internal terror, in which millions of lives were taken in an untimely manner from Saddam's wars or from his internal terrorism, is worth the sacrifice of these precious Americans.

    As I said before, I have relatives over there, have had continuously from day one. Every single one of them is there voluntarily. They could have gotten out of it if they wanted. They are there because they believe freeing the people of the world -- in this case, Iraq -- from tyranny is a cause worth risking their lives for. That makes them very special people in my book. Most admirable.

    Freedom isn't free. Never has been, and never will be.



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    Well sure, if you're going to use the soccer win as proof that there's no more terror in Iraq, your argument's watertight.

    The soccer game doesn't show me whether there's no more terror, but the people killed in the days before, during, and after the win tell me that terror in Iraq is alive and well.
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    If you think Terror is bad now in Iraq wait until you see what happens when we surrender and leave.
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