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IRAQ: Violence-related deaths drop ‘remarkably’, say authorities and UN

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  1. Real World

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    Let's hope this keeps up so that we can get a few divisions of our hero's home before the holidays next year. Of course, without successful reconstruction, and some form of reconciliation, this might just be some duct tape on an open wound. Never the less, at least there looks to be a window of opportunity being created here.


    IRAQ: Violence-related deaths drop ‘remarkably’, say authorities and UN

    BAGHDAD, 21 October 2007 (IRIN) - Iraqis are breathing a sigh of relief as violence in their war-torn country is ebbing and the number of violence-related victims has dropped sharply since the beginning of this year, according to statistics compiled by the country’s interior, defence and health ministries.

    [Read this story in Arabic or French]

    "Violence-related deaths in September dropped remarkably to levels not seen in more than a year as the number [of violence-related deaths] stood at 290 while in September 2006 the number was about 1,400," Adel Muhsin, the health ministry's inspector-general, told IRIN in a phone interview.

    According to the ministry’s statistics, between January and the end of September 2007, the number of violent deaths involving civilian, police and military in all of Iraq was about 7,100, against 27,000 in the same period of 2006.

    According to Muhsin, the average number of dead bodies sent to Baghdad’s main morgue just over a year ago was between 100 and 150 a day. Now, it is no more than 10 bodies a day, and about 50 percent of them are dying in normal circumstances. There have been days this year when no dead bodies were sent to the morgue and this gave the morgue employees a chance to refurbish it, something they couldn't do in the past.
    "There have been days this year when no dead bodies were sent to the morgue and this gave the morgue employees a chance to refurbish it, something they couldn't do in the past," Muhsin added.


    http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=74892
     
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    That's GREAT news.
    Can the troops come home yet?
    If not, what is the criteria?
     
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    LIES................... Lies I tell you :rolleyes:
     
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    The Pelosi/Reid/Murtha gang don't want to hear that.
     
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    gosh... was there an infinite number of Iraqis to be killed? were they just standing around waiting for a violent death to come to them?

    closer to reality: 4.5 years later, they're either dead, forcefully seperated to either side of the Tigris, or fled the country entirely...
     
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    ... as supported:

    GAO: Reduction In Violence Due To ‘Ethnically Cleansed Neighborhoods’ In Iraq

    Looking for signs of progress in Iraq, the Bush administration has been quick to jump on reports of reduced violence in Iraq. The “violence is thankfully coming down,” said White House spokesperson Dana Perino. Violence is “down significantly from last year,” declared President Bush.

    In a hearing before the House Appropriations Committee today, Joe Christoff of the Government Accountability Office stated that this recent reduction in violence should be taken with a grain of salt, as it coincides with increased sectarian cleansing and a massive refugee displacement:

    I think that’s [ethnic cleansing] an important consideration in even assessing the overall security situation in Iraq. You know, we look at the attack data going down, but it’s not taking into consideration that there might be fewer attacks because you have ethnically cleansed neighborhoods, particularly in the Baghdad area. […]

    It’s produced 2.2. million refugees that have left, it’s produced two million internally displaced persons within the countryas well.​
    Watch it:

    Also in attendance at the hearing was Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) Stuart Bowen. In his quarterly report to Congress released today, Bowen acknowledged the reduction in violence but stated that it has not been accompanied by tangible political reconciliation, a finding that was neglected by the traditional media in its reporting today.
     
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    Perhaps thats some of it (but not all of it), but I'll be perfectly honest with you, I'm somewhat less concerned about those deaths then I am about the deaths of our own soldiers.

    As of Oct 30, we've lost 38 troops this month (36 US), which is down from 131 In May of this year. It's also the 5th lowest total since the war began in Mar, 03. The 28 combat fatalities (10 were non-combat/illness), means that for only the 2nd time since the Insurgency began, combat fatalities have averaged less then 1 a day.

    That reduction has nothing to do with sectarian violence and it comes at a time where we still have significantly larger troop levels then we have for most of the time we've been there.

    Spin it anyway you want, but to me................ This "reduction in violence" is very important to me, and I view these numbers as positive developments.

    http://icasualties.org/oif/HNH.aspx
     
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    Guess that means India is going to war with the Kurds now.
     
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    i think that's great news, surely...

    but what's hard to deny here is that the damage has been done... this country will never be unified without one side being subjugated... and fresh new hatreds will burn like embers for decades, if not centuries, regardless of what kind of government we prop up there... and that -- setting up a cohesive governing body -- is going even worse ...
     
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    So it was better under Saddam??



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    honestly? sad to say so, but yes ... it certainly appears it was... at least they had electricity, water, sewage... there wasn't a civil war... Iran wasn't a threat to influence, and there was NO intrusion by fanatical islamists... there weren't 5 million displaced people...

    shall i list the dozens of nations ruled by cruel dictators the past 5 decades that we DIDN'T intervene over?
     

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