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Iraq implodes as Shia fights Shia

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    Shocking...

    Considering the disbanding of the Iraqi army, de-Baathification law, withdrawing the State Department, and the complete and willful ignoring of ORHA's security requests regarding important Iraqi infrastructure (besides oil plants), I'm increasingly of the mind that the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Garner/Bremmer team wanted chaos all along. They just couldn't be that stupid.

    Mission accomplished.
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    arabs killing arabs. speaking of killing someone in your own race did anyone see the article in the wall street journal about the rise in murders at black funerals? where is the outrage over that?
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    #75 Jersey

    Now that is a thread hijacking!!

    Let's at least try and stay in the same hemishere when spinning.

    If only thre democrat congressmen had not taken Sadddam's money and went over there to support him, before the war, all of this could have been avoided.
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    It could have been avoided if we didn't go to iraq , it was a mistake .
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    #75 Jersey

    It was not a mistake, the mistake was thinking that the Democrats would side with America in the war on terror. Do you honestly think that is the Democrats had not given daily aid and comfort to the enemey that they would still be around?
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    If you two only had the slightest of clues as to what is going on there. de-Bathification has nothing to do with this. As usual you're clueless. This is about disarming, and destroying the Mehdi Army, a militia, which is prohibited from existing according to the Iraqi Constitution. This action would have been unthinkable even a year ago. The fact that it is happening is a testament to how far the government, the people, and the ISF have come. Sadr has a choice here. Lay down his arms and stick with politics, or die and have his arms laid down for him. Malaki is the one calling the shots on this. He's a Shiite. If people in here actually read the information that matters, instead of ThinkProgressive, then they'd know how reviled most of the Mehdi Army is, now that the Sunni's are no longer a threat. It's ok though, we all know. Rinse, lather, repeat... :rolleyes:
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    So in your opinion, American Democrats are enemies of America? Is that just members of Congress who are Democrats or all Americans who vote for Democrats?
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    Even if that was true (and I certainly don't agree), it should have been part of the political calculation that Bush made much earlier on. Besides, at this point, you have more and more independents and even Republicans turning against the war. Perhaps if Bush had waged the war with more troops and weapons, he could have succeeded in a timeframe during which American support for the war was high. But, everything about this war was done wrong. Bush failed completely as a President and as a politician.
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    #75 Jersey

    They took Iraq in what two weeks? How much quicker do you want them to do it? What you people don't realize is that they are not fighting Iraqis now, they are fighting terrorists being shipped to Iraq to fulfill the Democrat prophecies about the war. The arab world was in shock about how quickly the Iraqis were defeated, and then came the Democrats with their *****ing and crying about the Iraqi Musuem, and then this, and then that, if you do not think that gave the terrorists the idea to flood Iraq with terrorists, your nuts! The terrorists know that they could not stand to have an Arab nation fall so quickly to the US, and a peacefull transition to a democracy would have been a tremendous blow to them, luckily for them along came the Harry Reids of the world proclaiming victorys as losses, and such.

    Does anyone here not think that the Iraq situation would be totaly different today, if the left wing would have just shut up, (I know it would be much to ask of them, to actually support America).
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    Debaathication eliminated most of Iraq's military and security talent. It was a bad move that set up many of the problems that followed. Even Tony Blair has said it was a mistake.

    We've destroyed the country and now different factions are battling for the resources. Your spin on the Sadr army ending its self-imposed ceasefire is quite remarkable. You make it sound like Maliki decided to confront him. The factional fighting will go on for years. Or, as you put it, rinse, lather, repeat.
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    Well we now have dem congressmen working with Chavez and the FARC terrorist trying to overthrow the democratically elected gov in Colombia.


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120640555842961083.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
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    You know, someone as racist and bigoted as Patters and Pressy seem to think I (and every other non lefty here) are could make a hell of a joke about the Arabs and debaathication, based on stereotypes.


    It might be almost as funny as being constantly called a bigot.


    Beyond that though, debaathication is just a funny word.
    Like scrotum.
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    They are fulfilling Cheney's plan. If Iraqis kill each other off, and no one is left, then the U.S. forces just swarm around the oil dereks and pump it out as fast as they can.
    I wonder how much longer it will be before Bush calls for another surge , a surge of the surge, so to say.
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    I think your jokeis lends credence to the belief that you have issues with people of different races or ethnicities. The fact that you don't realize that insulting people based on stereotypes is offensive reflects badly on your upbringing or your education.
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    No sh!t sherlock. I thought it was dumb then, and still think it's dumb now. Disbanding the army was worse. Again though, that has nothing to do with what is going on now.

    Patters, you truly have ZERO clue about what's going on in Iraq. Keep repeating the tired old talking points. Sadr still has spokeman in the news saying he hasn't ended the cease fire. Why? Cuz he's trying to figure out if he wants to fight and die, and let his militia die, while he lives on. When the Mehdi Army tried to stand up and fight in Najaf, toe to toe, they got roled, hardcore. He knows they can't win this. He couldn't do it before when the US was having a tough go with the government and populace, so he certainly isn't going to have it any easier when it's the Iraqi president (a fellow Shiite), and the ISF leading the way. I know it's hard for most of your kind to root for the US in Iraq, but you should at least try.
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    Wes, turmoil over in that country reduces the output of oil.
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    Iraq implodes as Shia fights Shia

    America is imploding as democrat fights democrat.
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    Wes I was going to give you crap about the title of this thread until I realized that was the title the article used!!!

    Come on, the argument for as long as I can remember on the left was that we needed Iraqis to handle their own security, and we had to get past the divide between Sunni and Shia. Well look at this, we have the IRAQI government giving an ultimatum to Sadr and the IRAQIS fighting for themselves. We have a SHIA in government (Maliki) going after another SHIA IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY instead of blindly siding with him against Sunnis. These are clearly good signs. I love that the left makes a claim for what should happen in Iraq (decreased violence, or ending sectarian conflicts), then WHEN THAT EXACT THING ACTUALLY HAPPENS THEY CALL IT A "TRAGEDY!!!"
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    Dems would consider victory in Iraq to be a tragedy. Many haven't gotten over the fall of the Berlin wall and the fall of communism.

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