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    Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban
    June 06, 2007 6:00 PM

    Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:

    NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain.

    "It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," said former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant.

    Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence "of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban."

    But an analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, concludes there is clear evidence of Iran's involvement.

    "This is part of a considered policy," says the analysis, "rather than the result of low-level corruption and weapons smuggling."

    Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community.

    "I think their goal is to make it very clear that Iran has the capability to make life worse for the United States on a variety of fronts," said Seth Jones of the Rand Institute, "even if they have to do some business with a group that has historically been their enemy."

    The coalition analysis says munitions recovered in two Iranian convoys, on April 11 and May 3, had "clear indications that they originated in Iran. Some were identical to Iranian supplied goods previously discovered in Iraq."

    The April convoy was tracked from Iran into Helmand province and led a fierce firefight that destroyed one vehicle, according to the official analysis. A second vehicle was reportedly found to contain small arms ammunition, mortar rounds and more than 650 pounds of C4 demolition charges.

    A second convoy of two vehicles was spotted on May 3 and led to the capture of five occupants and the seizure of RPG-7mm rockets and more than 1,000 pounds of C4, the analysis says.

    Also among the munitions are components for the lethal EFPs, or explosive formed projectiles, the roadside bombs that U.S. officials say Iran has provided to Iraqi insurgents with deadly results.

    "These clearly have the hallmarks of the Iranian Revolution Guards' Quds force," said Jones.

    The coalition diplomatic message says the demolition charges "contained the same fake U.S. markings found on explosives recovered from insurgents operating in the Baghdad area."

    "We believe these intercepted munitions are part of a much bigger flow of support from Iran to the Taliban," the message says.

    The Taliban receives larger supplies of weapons through profits from opium dealing, officials say, but the Iranian presence could be significant.

    "It means the insurgency in Afghanistan is likely to be prolonged," said Jones. "It would be a much more potent force."

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/document_iran_c.html
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    Read this, but here is what I do not understand, why would we not expect this?? If we were invaded by another country, wouldn't we expect Canada to send us some weapons?? I do not understand why this is such a big deal, in reality they all share the same religion, however there are different aspects of it. I would be surprised if they did not help out Iraq.
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    I don't think people are necessarily surprised by it, as much as they want to put forth what Iran is doing. If Iran is helping it's own historical enemies, to fight the USA, then what does that say about how Iran views us.
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    Where's all the WMD's Kerry and Uncle Teddy said Saddam had?
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    Very little other than the fact that we're the only occupying army in the Muslim world and we are as foreign to them as White people were to the American Indians. They want us out as they wanted the Russians, would want the Chinese or any other infidel culture. They have a right to live as they please, and that means freely, worshiping their fu-ked-up religion (I know, that's redundant) and permitting no foreign armies on their soil. We just happen to be their latest pain in the arse. We pull out of Muslim lands, stop buying their oil and we never hear from them again.
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    in the famous words of the thread author, i'll wait for multiple sources...

    the second commentor there put it best:

    Please don't become part of the new neo con push for a new war in Iran. Check and double check your sources. We had far too much of the media serving as the mouthpiece for this administration leading up to the Iraq war. We don't need another media encouraged disaster.

    Here's a fact to consider: the Iranian government is Shi'a. The Taliban are Sunni - hard core Sunnis. These people do not have a common cause. They have been at odds with each other since the 7th century.

    Please check your sources!!
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    According to the Islamist the Christians are still occupying Spain, since it was once the dominion of the Moors nad the Russians are still occupying Muslim territory in Russia and the Fillipino's are still ocupying Muslim territory and the Indians.... and so on.
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    ...And the Irish are pissed because Spain was once Celtic lands as well as most of Europe. The Norwwegians have held on to their claim that all Viking cities from Labrador to Palestine should be returned. And lets not forget the plight of the Australian Aborigines who were pushed out of India and got stuck on Australia when the seas rose and flooded the Malay peninsula...
    The beat goes on.....
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    Most of the others you cite aren't acting on their ancient greivences.
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    I was just pointing out the absurdity of the situation on the whole. No one is justified by such actions, but each one has a case. Is there any doubt that the English would still be in Ireland if the Irish had not used force and violence to expel them in the 1920's? Would the Russians have left Afghanistan without the pressure from the Mujahadeen? Sometimes it has to come to that, unfortunately. The problem comes when an occupying army overstays its welcome, as we saw in Iraq the day after WMDs were not found...if you know what I mean.
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    I didn't know we were on Iranian soil.
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    Brian Ross is one of the most reputable reporters on the planet.

    To answer your question about what I posted it GAJ, it's cuz some people in here deny that Iran is arming our enemies.
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    Do you think we'd be OK if the Chinese or Russians were on Canadian soil? Don't you think we would consider that a major threat to our security? Besides, you know as well as I do that Islamic countries don't make much of a distinction between each other - especially those in the Middle East. There's a certain kinship that we could understand in context of North America. I know you're just busting my balls. Leave me alone...I'm catching a buzz waiting for my friends to show up for chow and brews and you're not helping.:D
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    wait, did you just offer an amendment to your own inflexible stance of intellectual authority?... does the reputation of the author trump the insistance of multiple sources now? ... wow...
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    Can you give a source for this?
    I, for one, had never heard of such claims.
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    Like I said, Brian Ross is one of the most reputable reporters in the World. What part of that did you not understand?
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    great... i'll be sure to tell you of the impeccable reputation of the author the next time you squawk and complain that nothing should be trusted unless corroborated ...
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    I post a story from an ABC News reporter, and an extremely reputable one at that, and your beef is what exactly? If you don't believe the story, or trust the source, just say so. I don't have a problem if you feel the story is BS. At any point in this thread did I say this news was gospel? I didn't think so. My guess is that when you finish elementry school, and become a freshman, you'll better understand what it is that I am trying to teach you. :p
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    Cheney's Iran-Arms-to-Taliban Gambit Rebuffed
    By Gareth Porter
    Inter Press Service

    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38123
    Monday 11 June 2007

    Washington - A media campaign portraying Iran as supplying arms to the Taliban guerrillas fighting U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, orchestrated by advocates of a more confrontational stance toward Iran in the George W. Bush administration, appears to have backfired last week when Defence Secretary Robert Gates and the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. Dan McNeil, issued unusually strong denials.

    The allegation that Iran has reversed a decade-long policy and is now supporting the Taliban, conveyed in a series of press articles quoting "senior officials" in recent weeks, is related to a broader effort by officials aligned with Vice President Dick Cheney to portray Iran as supporting Sunni insurgents, including al Qaeda, to defeat the United States in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    An article in the Guardian published May 22 quoted an anonymous U.S. official as predicting an "Iranian-orchestrated summer offensive in Iraq, linking al Qaeda and Sunni insurgents to Tehran's Shia militia allies" and as referring to the alleged "Iran-al Qaeda linkup" as "very sinister".

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    Far from showing that Iran had been "caught red-handed", however, the report quoted from an analysis which cited only the interception in Afghanistan of a total of four vehicles coming from Iran with arms and munitions of Iranian origin. The report failed to refer to any evidence of Iranian government involvement.

    Both Gates and McNeill denied flatly last week that there is any evidence linking Iranian authorities to those arms. Gates told a press conference on Jun. 4, "We do not have any information about whether the government of Iran is supporting this, is behind it, or whether it's smuggling, or exactly what is behind it." Gates said that "some" of the arms in question might be going to Afghan drug smugglers.

    The commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. McNeill, implied that the arms trafficking from Iran is being carried out by private interests. "[W]hen you say weapons being provided by Iran, that would suggest there is some more formal entity involved in getting these weapons here," he told Jim Loney of Reuters June 5. "That's not my view at all."
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    I guess you didn't read the article from the beginning of this thread, did you?

    Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban
    June 06, 2007 6:00 PM

    Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:

    NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain.

    "It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," said former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant.

    Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence "of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban."

    But an analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, concludes there is clear evidence of Iran's involvement.
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    i read the article, and i know what it said... but that's really not the overall point here at all...

    the point is, just like 5 years ago, there are certain people who want this to be true, and will attempt to amplify it... and there are certain people who know it's a load of crap...

    it must be so frustrating for Tricky Dick ... none of his propaganda lies are really gonna work this time around... the entire nation is on to him... it looks like he's gonna haveta sacrifice a carrier or something equally profound in order to get his desired war with Iran...
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    This appears to be another case of junk intel by the neocon cabal. The Iranian government cannot be shown to have sanctioned this and given their history of fighting the Sunni Talibs, doesnt seem too credible.

    This is definitely the next go around of neo-con bullspit.

    Good call on that Press, keep getting the truth out.

    n a related note, now that were in the business of arming Sunnis and Shias in killing each other, when will they come to the inevitable conclusion that we've doublecrossed both of them?

    IMO We should back the Shia and send those scumbag Sunnis to hell where they belong along with their brothers who attacked us on 911.
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    but, what aobut the Saudis? the Texas mafia is in bed with them...
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    No prob, lets send the Texas mafia and Halliburton execs to Saudi Arapeya to set up shop, then mow them ALL down.
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    And there are sheep who refuse to even acknowledge the possibility.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Afterall, that's never been the case in the history of human existence.
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    That seems to be exactly the tact we are currently taking in Iraq and that we took under Reagan in Afg. No?

    Problem is, this always leads to blowback.
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    Without exception. I think RW knows this and is only pointing out that that's how short-sighted governments behave, but far be it from me to speak on his behalf.:cool:
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