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    Nice article. Thanks for sharing. So who wants to start the Markell Carter fanclub? :D
     
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    I will!! :D
     
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    Hard to expect much from a sixth rounder, but half the fun of rookies are the guys that come out of nowhere. I never thought Myron Pryor would do anything, but he showed some good energy his rookie season in sub-packages.

    If Markell can make contributions on ST's, he's already worth a 6th round pick. If he can do a little more after a few years of coaching, that's all gravy.
     
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    All good measurables, but hopefully we're not going to have to count on him to solve our woes at OLB. I'd rather let him sit on the bench his rookie season to digest the playbook and the defense and hunt for some OLB (and DE) help in free agency.
     
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    A fun video to watch. Carter seems to have a good deal of athleticism and decent closing speed. He also shows an ability to beat a T around the corner, as well as overpower him to make a straight line to the QB. He also showed a mix of outside and inside rush, all good signs.

    A few things concern me (and again, this is a sixth round pick, so this shouldn't come as a surprise):

    1) His competition was obviously fairly low.

    2) Many of those plays seemed to be set screen plays, where his pressure and ease to the QB looked to be a design of the offense.

    3) I only saw two consistent moves: The duck the shoulder down and beat the T around the edge, and the straight forward bull rush (is that what it's called?). He'll need more and smarter moves at the pro level, as he'll find most tackles are more athletic than those he's faced in college.
     
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    I have officially elevated Vereen and Carter to binkydom.
     
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    Maybe. But one-trick ponies like Dwight Freeney don't have a huge move set either. If you can hone a couple of moves to consistently beat OL that can make you a very effective pass rusher in the NFL.

    I hearing that Markell plans to make an impact on special teams first. He knows that is how he is going to stick with the squad. Hopefully he can develop into more than that, but sticking to the 53 is the toughest part for a late round rookie to accomplish initially.
     
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    The first is clearly a red flag, and why he didn't go sooner. Athletically, he is on par with all the big names and actually has more experience dropping into coverage than virtually all of them.

    Some of them were screens. Many of the dumpoffs looked like hot reads to me.

    As for the 3rd, in your positive review you said that he made some nice inside moves, but then you said he only ducks under outside or bull rushes. I'm having a hard time reconciling those two statements.

    Frankly, just showing outside/inside/power he's actually got more than most college DEs. We'll see how it translates when he faces better competition, but I get a feeling this guy is more than the throaway most are making him out to be.
     
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    Yeah, I realized that after I submitted that the two statements might be a bit contradictory. I was hoping no one would notice, haha, but let me clarify what I was trying to say.

    I like that he was USED for inside and outside rushing, and as was mentioned he dropped into a coverage a bunch too, which shows a versatility that BB obviously likes.

    But when going 1-on-1 with a T, he only used those two moves, and they both seemed to rely on the fact that his athleticism was greater than that of his opposition. That won't be the case in the pros.

    You make a good point, but that implies that you have to be kind of a freak with that one move. It's like Mariano Rivera in baseball. He has ONE pitch, which you'd think any major league hitter would eventually just crush. But he's so ridiculously good at locating it that it's nearly unhittable for most players. Those kinds of talents are very rare though.

    Count me among those happy to hear his attitude towards ST though. That will make him productive while giving him time to convert to OLB and refine his game.
     
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    That makes more sense. Thanks.

    I'm not too worried about it, because I think that describes virtually every college DE. Or, perhaps said differently, I'm no more worried about it than I would have been had they taken Sheard or Reed or some other big name.
     
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    This kid has the size to play 3-4 OLB in the pats system, and is athletic enough based on the numbers. If he can be coached and strengthened up, he could be more than a ST player.

    I can see it now. "4th down and 5, this is the game for the Colts in the AFCCG, Carter gets by Castonzo, Manning goes down! The pats are going to the Superbowl!!!" :D

    Or he is too overwhelmed to be in the NFL coming from Central Arkansas and is cut. :(

    Carter and Cannon are the binkys.
     
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    Some of the plays might have been screens, but still, stopping a completion is the important thing! The access might have been greater, but he did his job!
     
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    Oh don't say things like that :cry2:

    I do look forward to seeing him on special teams if they start him there as your article suggests. Sounds like he has a great attitude and work ethic.
     
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    Considering how in-depth the coaches were on Carter's character, work ethic and determination, it seems odd that there is no mention of how quickly he learns or how coachable he is. I'm not sure if that is a reflection on Carter, or on the coaching staff. Does anyone have the skinny on the coaching staff at Central Arkansas? If this kid is coachable, I think he's got a shot.
     
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    Fixed it for ya :D
     
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    I don't have high expectations for him therefore he can't qualify as a "bust" if he doesn't work out :p.
     
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