Interesting suggestion by Chris Gasper re: Cassel/O'Connell

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  1. Mogamedogz

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    "If the Patriots decide to get creative without Brady, O'Connell could see the field in the coming weeks whether Cassel is injured or not. They reached the red zone five times against the Jets but scored just one touchdown. O'Connell showed some ability to run the football during the preseason and could be a weapon inside the 20 with his mobility.

    "I just want to help the offense any way I can," said O'Connell. "Like I said before, I'm just going to do anything that they ask me to do, whether it's supporting Cassel or if I have to run the team. I'm just really focusing on being ready to go, basically."


    Obviously I fully expect BB to give Cassel every opportunity to prove himself, but let's just say for sake of discussion, that Cassel continues to struggle inside the 20's. Can anyone see the coach experimenting a little and letting O'Connell get some snaps in the RZ? It wouldn't be the first time this coaching staff has done something unorthodox.
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  2. BPF

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    With the importance the Pats place on NO TURNOVERS I don't see this happening. Personally I don't like the idea at all either, this isn't college, with more playing time Cassel will become more consistent as will the entire offense. You also need to remember that Watson, who is now seemingly healthy, can also be a big weapon down inside the 20, especially for a young QB like Cassel.
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  3. emoney_33

    emoney_33 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    That might happen in say the superbowl in a really rare desperation case, but not in the regular season especially early. Putting O'Connell in only gives you an advantage over Cassel if he RUNS. After he is put in and runs once, it loses it's "got ya" value, if it had any to begin with.

    Unless O'Connell somehow learned extremely quickly and become a good passing threat as well, which won't happen this year.
  4. Lampshade

    Lampshade Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Cassel has thrown a grand total of 9 passes in the redzone, with one of them going for a TD. It's way too early to be suggesting he needs to be taken out in those situations.
  5. Rob0729

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    People need to go back and look at the Pats' offense in 2003. It had a horrible third down efficiency and there were four games where the Pats didn't score a single TD (1st Buffalo game, Cleveland, Dallas, and th the last Miami game) including two games where the Pats scored 4 FGs a piece. Brady was under center those games. When you make a concerted effort to go back the old ways of the Patriots, you gotta conceed TDs for strong defense and no mistakes no matter who the QB is.

    Sorry, putting O'Connell in is a weak idea that can only risk more chances of turnovers.
  6. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    I COULD see it in a special situation..a trick play sort of thing..but Cassel has to learn to get the ball into the endzone. PART of the learning curve..and that will take time...and is OK. A good thought..but ONLY in that one occasion..special.
  7. Metaphors

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    Agreed. One other pass was a poor route by DThomas and another was a throw to DThomas that was a little late and low (tipped by a defender). It looks like he has a reasonable feel for the red zone but he needs some more experience and to get on the same page with his receivers. He is plenty athletic enough to run a bootleg with a run/pass option if needed. I've been as critical of Cassel as anyone, but I don't think jerking him around in the red zone is doing him or the team any favors.

    I really think O'Connell is going to be a player and would like to see him get a full year of learning and refining his mechanics. Hopefully Gutierrez takes over as the #2 soon and keeps O'Connell in a developmental role this year.
  8. FloridaPatsFan

    FloridaPatsFan Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    I have not seen O'connell play, but I remember the Steelers throwing Kordell Stewart in at QB just for the mere fact that he was a shifty little bastard to tackle....I'm not saying the Pats seem like a team that would do this, but it might be an option.....
  9. Perhaps he's working extra time with Randy to get those jump ball type passes down.

    Besides it seems easier to throw from around the 7/8 yard line. We were down around the 3 for a couple of those drives.
  10. xmarkd400x

    xmarkd400x 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    I don't think that O'Connell would replace Cassel at QB. I could almost see the possibility of sticking him in at RB and be a run/pass threat, but that would just increase the chances of injury at a position where the Pats can't really afford injuries.
  11. OhExaulted1

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    That "poor route" had him wide-open in the end-zone. That's why Cass tried to get it to him on the next play.
  12. unoriginal

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    If there is one flaw in Matt Cassel's game, its limited mobility.
  13. MrBigglesWorth

    MrBigglesWorth Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    if anyone watched the jets game there were several times the jets doubled covered moss. I've been saying Lamont is the answer in red zone. Ply action will soon be Cassel's best friend. The near Moss bomb was a result of play action.

    I think O'Connel in the redzone is foolish. You trust the most important part of the field with a rookie? Talk about a mistake waiting to happen.

    If you are going to try something foolish why not try the option? I'm joking about that.

    You need to be able to run the ball in the red zone.
  14. Frezo

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    That Dallas game was tremendous. IIRC Dallas never crossed the 50 on offense.
  15. jeffbiologist

    jeffbiologist Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I disagree with both the OConnell idea and the NEED for LaMont in the red zone. What we need is to use a little more of the playbook each week. I understand the fear of a turnover, but the safest route has always been the fade....and we do have Randy Moss. We NEED to show that we will throw down there or we will be kicking a TON of field goals this year. The run alone will not work.
  16. MrBigglesWorth

    MrBigglesWorth Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    did you watch the game? moss was double covered.

    watch every team do this. they'll need to put moss in motion.
  17. BPF

    BPF In the Starting Line-Up

    Have you ever watched Cassel play?? Limited mobility?? Maybe he doesn't have the veteran savvy in the pocket yet but he is very mobile and athletic.
  18. Mosi Moose

    Mosi Moose On the Game Day Roster

    Exactly -- this could really only work once. After that, EVERY time OC went into the game in the Red Zone, defenses would know what's up. I like the idea in theory though.
  19. spacecrime

    spacecrime Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    BB is not going to give Cassel time to prove himself. Cassel has already proven himself to BB and is the starting QB.
  20. spacecrime

    spacecrime Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Why would anyone want us to have a QB emulate Kordell Stewart??????
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