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  1. kurtinelson

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    Hmmm. The more I think about this draft, the more I am coming around to it.

    Great Blue North Draft Report

    Patriots Picks:

    No. 11 (Through Houston) Cameron Jordan DE (Pats trade No. 17 and No. 60)

    No. 33 Mike LeShoure RB

    No. 35 (Through Cincinnati) Jon Baldwin WR (Patriots trade No. 28 and receive No. 35 and a 4th rounder)

    No. 74 Dontay Moch LB

    No. 92 Will Rackley G/T


    I think this mock is realistic (precombine) in terms of where players come off the board. Interestingly, KC grabs Justin Houston OLB at 27, perhaps prompting the Pats trade down from 28. Cincy grabs Pouncey at 28.

    Though I think many will be disappointed with RB and WR at the top of the 2nd round, I think the Pats get good value with these picks. I think I am guilty of over-valuing the OL in this draft because of our need, and I am prone to want to reach in the 1st or 2nd on these positions.

    Yes one can argue that there is no need to take an RB that high, and I would agree, but its hard to argue that LeShoure doesn't deserve a late first or high 2nd round grade. I haven't paid much attention to WRs in the draft, but Titus Young and Hankerson are also available instead of Baldwin, if that floats your boat.

    The more I think about Dontay Moch OLB in the 3rd round, the more I am coming around to this idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gtsE4RxIt4&feature=related If Moch and Rackley are 3rd round gems (I know that's a big if), then I think this could be an epic draft. I'd also like to take OG/OT Boling and/or OG/C Moffit in the 4th.
     
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    A RB at 33, followed by WR @ 35......Have we not learnt from Maroney and Chad Jackson fiascos ???

    Epic Fail mock
     
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    This logic is seriously flawed, just because Maroney and Jackson were both busts you think that every RB or WR we draft in the 1st 2 rounds will be a bust? If you applied that same logic to the CB position we would not have drafted McCourty in the 1st round last year after drafting Wheatley and Butler in the 2nd round the previous 2 years.
     
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    What does that mean? We never take a rb int he first and a wr in the 2nd again?

    What your saying is that we should only take MLB and DL in the 1st, OLine in the 2nd, WRs in the 3rd, centers in the forth we can just skip the 5th and take qb in the 6th.
     
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    No line help for a line that looks to be losing Neal and maybe Light as well (with Light and Koppen old even if they do return), no OLB help in the first 2 rounds for a group that desperately needs it....I don't see it. I like it because it's different than others, but I see this as pretty unrealistic.

    Also I think the team valuing Cameron Jordan as their best pick and their own 2nd round pick as somewhat unrealistic.
     
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    Not impressed at all........giving up a 2nd rounder in order to draft Jordan?

    Epic fail when you know you can get a guy like Wilkerson at 17 or 28, and can get a guy like Christian Ballard late 2nd or 3rd

    Now if they moved up to 11 because Quinn is there, different story
     
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    It is bad logic to think every WR and RB picked highly will fail.

    That being said, I think these two in particular will fail.
     
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    While I wouldn't jump to #11 for Jordan, I do give them credit for identifying the most likely trade partner for the Pats. The Texans need to exit day 2 (before the talent "cliff" in this draft class) with a NT, rush LB, CB and S...and they only have 3 picks to do it. If Amukamara is off the board at #11, they should look to trade down. Getting #17 and #60 would be ideal for them.

    Assuming Fairley, Bowers, Green, Peterson, Dareus, Quinn and Amukamara (or Houston would stick and take him) are gone, I wouldn't be tempted to move up to #11. If Dareus or Quinn happened to slip, I would have the Texans on the phone with picks #17 and #60 (and whatever else it would take) in hand.
     
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    I would be incredibly worried about the offensive line, I don't think Will Rackey is the missing piece. The offensive and defensive lines are two units I do not want to enter the season with big questions at.
     
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    If Jordan is available at 11, I'm not so sure Houston trades that pick. They're transitioning to a 3-4 themselves. Not sure where Mario Williams and Okoye will fit into that D yet, but the Texans may decide to take Jordan if available. But secondary is a huge need, so they'd probably take Amukamara if he's available.

    At 12, I've seen some mock drafts have him going to Minnesota but that isn't really a big need. QB and OT are big needs for the Vikings, but Gabbert is probably gone by this point, and probably Newton as well. It's probably too early to take a guy like Mallett, so maybe we could use #74 instead of #60 to jump up and take Jordan if he's available. Minnesota could slide down to #17 and take their QB or their fav OT, and they'd get their 3rd rounder back from us, and we don't lose one of our 2nd rounders.

    Detroit picks at 13 and while DE isn't a major need for them, their FO preaches about always taking the best player available, and they've done that over the past two drafts. So if Jordan lasts this long, I don't think he'll slide much farther.
     
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    I really don't see sufficient added value in Jordan over Wilkerson, Watt or Heyward to spend two picks out of the top 60 to go up for him.

    RB and WR, sure, but not in the top 100, much less the top 35 (and not Baldwin, who I have my doubts about).

    Moch would be a specialty player without a defined role on this team. I might be okay with him in the 5th, but I wouldn't take him while someone like Ahmad Black was still on the board.

    I like Rackley - as a supplement to earlier O-line picks - but, by himself, he doesn't begin to cover the need.

    Pretty much a fail for me.
     
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    beat me to it... i keep hearing this on our board... oh maroney and jackson failed we can never pick another rb/wr in the 1st 2 rounds
     
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    Anyone wanting a RB or a WR in the first 3 rounds certainly doesnt understand the team needs. Right now Brady has no blindside protection and we have zero pass rush. While I dont see a trade up for a DE with so many good ones there I wouldnt be concerned if it happened. Neither would I object if the top RB(Ingram) dropped to us....but 2 of the first 4 picks should be OL, we need potential starters not JAGS. FAIL.
     
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    Jordan isn't worth trading a 2nd round pick for.
     
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    The recent consensus mock draft has us taking Cameron Jordon at 17 and Baldwin at 28. So I guess moving up is uncalled for but moving 28 to 33 and getting Baldwin there wd be a real plus.
     
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    This draft was interesting to me because of how the other 5-technique DE, J.J. Watt and Cameron Heyward, fell. Watt lasted until 30, where we could have hypothetically gotten him with 27 had we not traded it in that mock. Heyward lasted until 34, where we could have gotten him with 33 had we not already drafted Jordan. If this happens, IRL we could have three different shots to fill the need at DE. (I see DE, OLB, DB, OL as primary needs.)

    Hindsight is 20/20, but that means that in this mock, without the trade down (27 for 35 and a 4th) we could end up with Aldon Smith (at 14), Watt (at 28), and OT Gabe Carimi (33). Or, assuming we trade 28 down to 35, we could end up with Smith (14), Heyward (33), and Carimi or CB Curtis Brown (at 35). Quite the haul.

    Standing pat, without trading up, could yield OLB Justin Houston (17), Watt (28), Carimi (33), and CB Rashad Carmichael (60). Or it could yield Watt (17), OG Mike Pouncey (28), LB Martez Wilson(33), and Carmichael (60). I like this cluster best, from a positional standpoint anyways.

    Of course, this draft also has two QB taken in the top 5, and four taken in the top 20, which pushes down the 5-technique players. I don't think that's going to happen. Just saying that the DEs are falling far in this one.
     
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    A couple of interesting developments.

    First Denver is going 4-3 next season.

    Second Buffalo is starting to zero in on Cam Newton.

    Potentially both are good for us, especially if Denver takes Linguit over Dareus.
     
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    Agree with you 100%.. @ some point we need to address a glaring weakness on our team and these two players have the "it" factor

    Some people say Watt technique is lacking and his not good moving side to side.. I think Jordan is the name because of the Senior Bowl.. Its going to be interesting either way and I won't disagree on a DE anyone mentioes.. Give me a couple of weeks and I'll have more data

    Again i agree with you 100%.. We need a RB bad.. A player we can hand off to when a defense tries to key on Brady..

    Definitely fills a need.. Again I'm not sure about the player but if Pouncey is there, I like him.. When I watched him, I watched a big man with feet make the second level and hold his blocks.

    If we talk about Trades, I think out of all our picks, this is the one we trade.. Most of us will be dreaming what the next day brings us :)

    Not a huge Merriweather fan after this year but the Cowboys won't trade a 2nd for him.. I just don't see it.. While I like your idea of Adding Champ Bailey (later in your post), he's going to command BIG bucks for some team that thinks they are 1 or 2 players away from holding up the trophy.. But again, if the Broncos let him go, I hope the Pats FO is there at midnight talking to him. I agree, let him play FS and take away the slot guy.. Watching Chung play kind of turns my tummy (even though he got better this year)


    hmm.. very interesting.. If he keeps his mouth shut, I'd be more inclined to bring him in then a rookie. I think they payoff could be as rewarding as bringing Dillion in..

    NO apology needed.. A great post!
    I'm not to familar with Lawson but he definitely has the size to play our system. I was worried initially reading your post. We didn't address the OLB position opposite of Cunningham.

    Hopefully BB and Co will be active this off season in the right areas.
     
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    Terrible mock. IMO there only 2 WR that the Patriots would draft that would provide value. Randall Cobb, Kentucky, in Rd. 3/4 or Ryan Whalen, Stanford, in the 6th/7th. I'm also tremendously intrigued by DeAndre Brown, Southern Mississippi. He has tremendous size 6'6" 239 and decent speed. Has great production but has been hampered by injury, very interested to see what he puts up at the combine; I would see the value in taking a flier on him as well, maybe in the 6th/7th round or as an UFA.
     
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