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  1. DaBruinz

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    There was an ABC Dateline program that hit on this 2 weeks ago and, supposeldy, the NY Times did an article or editorial on this over the weekend, but its coming to surface that Iraq did, in fact, have WMDs.

    A Gen. Georges Sada, who was formerly a 2 star general in the Iraq army, has written a book about it. "[font=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein,"[/font]

    Also, It would seem that Saddam learned a trick from Nixon and taped the conversations that he held in his main office. And it would seem that the US has supposedly confiscated over 3000 hours of these audio tapes. In which, of the 12 hours they have transcribed, there have been conversations about about Saddam and the Iraqis pulled the wool over the eyes of the inspectors regarding the WMDs.

    Also, Larry Elder did a 2 part interview with Gen. Georges Sada and Sada had this to say:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49068
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49187


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    Now, before anyone goes blasting me about this, I just find it very interesting that some of the things mentioned in the Duelfer report are mentioned by this General. Its also going to be interesting to see what happens down the line.
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    The bigger scandal would be if there WERE WMD's, and we invaded a country but failed to secure them, leading to their spreading out over the Middle East. No WMD's is old news, Bush better hopes it remains the news.
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    PUJO -
    My contention has always been that there WERE, in fact, WMDs, but that there was plenty of time for Saddam to move them out PRIOR to the US invading. And that is one of the issues. We spent so much time Sabre rattling and waiting for the "inspectors" to do their job, that Saddam had plenty of time to move them into Syria or other areas.
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    DaBruinz, you're relying on sources that have a political interest in showing that Iraq had WMDs. Nevertheless, since Saddam did not move the weapons while Clinton was in office, I guess you're saying that Bush not only failed to secure the weapons, his policy actually led to the WMDs ending up in the hands of people who were not under the same scrutiny as Saddam. So, the war has actually made things more dangerous for us because his weapons are in the hands of adversaries who are not even subject to weapons inspections.
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    WMD's thats the sore losing Bush haters worst nightmare, if they should prove they were there WATCH THE SPIN & TWIST from the haters.

    Bush is all wrong on Muslims running our seaports and Illegal Aliens but he was right in getting rid of Saddam.

    If Kerry/Gore had won and went After Saddam the liberals would all have joined the army.

    It's not the war that bothers them it's their HATRED for Bush that is driving them nuts and causing them to destroy the democratic party.
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    Blah blah blah blah blah, I'm just running my mouth like Harry Boy, blah blah blah blah.
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    It's abundantly clear that Saddam HAD WMDs as the gas attack on the Kurds showed. It is now also clear from Iraqi testimony that he had gotten rid of his unconventional weapons pre-invasion and that few even in his military knew they were 'gone'. The Iraqui Generals were shaken up and demoralized to learn that they had no chem or gas to use on the superior firepower of the US.

    All those who trumpeded "Bush Lied" owe him an apology.
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    Wait, I thought this war wasn't about WMD's but about "liberating the Iraqi people". Point is, Bush lied, the only question may be "how many times?"
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    Pissah, actually we don't know if Bush lied, replaced competent intelligence people with incompetent one, or simply was not sophisticated enough to make the right judgement based on the information he had. At any rate, even you apparently feel that he had gotten rid of his WMDs, so whether it was lies or incompetence on Bush's part, the fact is that the 2400 soldiers who have died so far have not made America safe from WMDs; they've simply overthrown Saddam and in the course of doing so helped create a climate in which civilians and Americans die on a daily basis.
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    I think we all know the "Bush Lied" was the left's mantra regarding WMDs. As you'll recall there were NUMEROUS reasons cited for the rationale for invading Iraq. WMD was foremost and is notable because in hindsight - there' weren't any. Fact remains that Saddam had had WMD programs and kept his scientists in country, ready to resume activity once the hullabaloo blew over. This time it didn't.
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    The end will justify the means, be patient, Bush has made the Left Wing Democrats look like fools for the last 5 or 6 years, HE WILL DO IT AGAIN.

    This is a lefty democrat after Bush gets through slapping him around> :bricks:
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    Bush's biggest problem now is his own party ducking for cover every time he opens hs mouth. With "progress" like this, the Democrats don't need to lift a finger.
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    He stepped out of line when he wanted Muslims running around free on the waterfront but we the people straightened him out, now it's back to driving the Lefty Democrat insane. :rocker:
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    Do you know what the shelf life of sarin is? Hint: Its not 20 years.

    Ah, the guilty complex rears up as clear by this thread. This is a clearcut case of BBW, at its finest.

    Bush lied....thousands died and thousands more will die for a worldnetdaily lie, and the lies that will follow, to keep the sheeple in line. Must be that billion dollar propaganda budget making its way back home... finally.

    You ostriches know about our propaganda budget right?
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    If your goal is to conceal your weapons program, you would keep your chemicals that make sarin in their binary form which would facilitate the ease of movement(wouldn't want one of them going off in a quick unscheduled move) and give an indeterminable shelf life. Sarin is made up of a mixture of methylphosphonyl diflouride and a combination of isopropyl alcohol and isopropyl amine. According to the CIA Iraq was working on such binary weopons in the 1990's.

    http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/cia/960715/index.html
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    Good info. Then you need a delivery system to threaten us with. IIRC, some drones were mentioned in the Bush 2003 SOTU...they must be buried in the sand I suppose.
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    Read the CIA report. It talks of Iraq testing binary shells in the early 1990s. BTW, they do exist.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.duelfer/
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    Yeah, midterm elections are coming up and Bush's popularity rating is what now? I'm sure Republicans are lining up to have their picture taken with him.
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    How dare I cite both Duelfer and CNN. The binary weapon that was found must have been a gift from Mohamad. Saddam certainly would not have been producing them in defiance of UN Resolutions.;) Seriously though, if the weapon in question didn't come from a Saddam stockpile, where did it come from?

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