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    The story of Sam Bacile's film "Innocence of Muslims" gets curiouser and curiouser. It more and more appears that the film was the work of radical Christians who were perhaps trying to sow conflict between Jews and Muslims. The evidence is still sketchy, but is beginning to point in that direction, and will be curious to see how it unfolds.

    Now, of course the radical Muslim crowd was absolutely responsible for the harm done, but really the radical Christians cannot wash their hands completely of responsibility. What is the point of making this film, except to provoke anger in a part of the world that has more difficulty than we do controlling its religious extremists?

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...oduction-anti-islam-film-blamed-for-protests/

    "Nakoula (a convicted felon for bank fraud) told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.

    ...

    "The AP located Bacile after obtaining his cell phone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who had promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website."

    The film was produced by Media for Christ, and portrays Muhammed in perverse ways:

    Movie that set off violence in Middle East produced by Southern California nonprofit - The Willits News

    "An inflammatory anti-Muslim film that has been blamed in this week's deadly attack on U.S. diplomats in Libya was produced by a Duarte-based Christian non-profit, officials said.

    "Media for Christ, which has its administrative offices south of the 210 Freeway in Duarte, took out a film permit for the production, according to City Manager Darryl George.

    ...

    "The film negatively portrays the prophet Mohammed as a sex-obsessed, bisexual who thrives on acts of sadistic violence. Several scenes are fairly pornographic including one which appears to depict Mohammed engaged in oral sex."

    The filmmaker was probably not Jewish and the film involved anti-Muslim evangelicals:

    Muhammad-Film Consultant: 'Sam Bacile' Is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name - Jeffrey Goldberg - The Atlantic

    "As part of my search for more information about Sam Bacile, the alleged producer of the now-infamous anti-Muhammad film trailer "The Innocence of Muslims," I just called a man named Steve Klein -- a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, California (whose actual business, he said, is in selling "hard-to-place home insurance"), who has been described in multiple media accounts as a consultant to the film.

    "Klein told me that Bacile, the producer of the film, is not Israeli, and most likely not Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is, in fact, a pseudonym."

    ...

    'Nobody is anything but an active American citizen. They're from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, they're some that are from Egypt. Some are Copts but the vast majority are Evangelical.'"

    Radical Christian Islamophobe Terry Jones has been promoting the film:

    Ambassador, three staffers killed after film, 'trial' backed by Gainesville pastor Terry Jones spark unrest in Libya, Egypt - Tampa Bay Times

    Jones and other backers of the film, Muhammad, were unapologetic about the role they may have had in triggering the violence.

    "The fact that angry protesters climbed the wall at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today, ripped down the American flag and tore it apart further indicates the lack of respect that Islam has for any other religion, any other flag, any freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of religion," Jones said Tuesday in a statement released before the death in Benghazi was confirmed. "It further illustrates that they have no tolerance for anything outside of Mohammad."

    The filmmaker obviously knew what he was doing wrong, for he deceived his cast and overdubbed the film with new lines:

    Who is Sam Bacile? Questions swirl around identity of filmmaker - CNN.com

    "An actress in the film, who asked not to be identified, said the original script did not include a Prophet Mohammed character. She said she and other actors complained that their lines had been changed.

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    "The actress said the character of Mohammed in the movie was named George when it was shot, and that after production wrapped she returned and read other lines that may have been dubbed into the piece.

    "A member of the production staff who worked on the film and has a copy of the original script corroborated the woman's account. There was no mention of Mohammed or Islam, the crew member said."
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    Radical Christians "possibly" reponsible for making a MOVIE.....

    Radical Muslim reaction? Kill some innocent people....

    Sure glad you explained just how awful those radical Christians are Patters!

    Now I'm goint to have to rent and watch that movie myself.

    What a waste of a thread....
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    For careless readers, I bought part of my point in bold. I gather you missed that part. At any rate, may I suggest rather than antagonize others, you simply ignore threads that you find to be a waste?
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    And I read your point in bold....yet you STILL went on & on about some radical Christian conspiracy as if you still believe they did something awfully wrong when they didn't.

    I fully support any dope who wants to make a movie or write a book about anything they please despite the possible reaction of savage people.
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    I didn"t say otherwise, but those who use their freedoms irresponsibly can still be savage. Surely, you believe in the right of Hitler to write Mein Kampf, but would agree with those who thought he was savage and found his book to be "awfully wrong." But, then again, since apparently you didn't find the film "awfully wrong," perhaps you felt the same way about Mein Kampf? In other words, not only are you rude, I don't think you're even thinking through the point you're trying to make.
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    Dumb thread. Free speech reigns supreme.
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    Didn't Romney want to crack down on porn in America?

    Mitt Romney Aide Promises Crackdown On Porn

    Or was that just before Jenna Jameson signed on with the Romney side?

    So let me see... it's okay to depict a prophet engaged in oral sex, just not a hot girl? Except Jenna I mean?

    Is there anything this guy won't flip flop on? Hell I think he'd duck my sick if I promised to vote for him.

    PFnV
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    Wait I think I understand now... sex for pleasure is wrong... sex for hate is right... free speech covers sex for hate but not sex for pleasure...

    Yeah now it all works.
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    And what point are YOU trying to make with this thread because I don't think you've thought it through very well.

    I'm "rude"?? Really? So how am I being "rude" Patters?

    Of course I support Hitler's book being written and published while at the same time I condemn his ACTIONS.

    There can never be any laws in America that stop someone from saying or writing something/anything they choose to express. I think we both agree on that point.

    So how could the radical Christians compare to the Muslims who committed MURDER and the gangs of them savagely protesting in the streets screaming for BLOOD?

    please enlighten me on those points again....

    Radical Christian conspiracy my arse!
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    Don't you dare touch my porn!
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    There are "savage christians" and there are "savage muslims" right now it is "the savage muslims" who are doing the killing then dancing with glee in front of the camera's for all Americans to see, it was "savage muslims" who killed 3000 innocent people on the morning of 9/11 then it was "savage muslims" who danced and sang in the streets all over this world in front of the camera's for all Americans to see, no matter how hard the weeping do-gooding liberals try to shove the "good muslim" thing down our throats the fact remains that these killings and the abuse of women is being done by MUSLIMS.
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    except that the bold was not your only point.

    kill the infidel
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    Didn't read but I saw the words "child exploitation" which I can't really argue about fighting...
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    Really, if you incited a riot for something you said you would be arrested for guess what, inciting a riot. If the nazi party went into a jewish neighbor hood carrying signs that said hitler was right death to jews and a riot started the leaders of the nazi group would be arrested for inciting a riot. If this movie was shown here in the US and a riot started, or someone was killed there would be a consequence for the producers etc So free speech doesn't reign supreme
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    #24 Jersey

    I guess your opinions on art, like Obama and his opinion on gay marriage, have evolved.

    You used to think people had things called personal accountability and basic respect and that we shouldn't let people "get away with it on a social (not legal) level," when they did things which mocked other's religion or beliefs.

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    #95 Jersey

    There's a whole lot of Supreme Court decisions on free speech and hate speech and fighting words. Look up Chalinsky, Brandenburg and consider flag burning in the same context. It is a balancing act of what is considered likely to incite violence versus the right to express views no matter how distasteful they may be to to others ( i.e. flag burning) and likely to evoke a visceral response....
    If you start banning some speech because it might be offensive to some person, you end up with no free speech at all.....
    For that reason, the court has severely limited what can't be said ("fire " in a crowded theater for example)...
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    The point is and i think you agree is that free speech reigns unless it can cause public safety issues. Now after all thats happened if some movie house wanted to show this film they wouldn't be allowed to depending on where. If this film were shown in Detroit there would be riots because of the large Muslim population.
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    It is truly a great thing to behold watching all the "Good American Muslims" condeming the SLAUGHTER of the four innocent Americans and the burning of the Flag they themselves now live under.
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    Only in a bizarro world is a 14 minute Youtube movie responsible for the killing of innocents by other people. Man some people are truly pathetic.


    Hijack much?
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    #24 Jersey

    Where did you get that it was a 14 minute YouTube movie??

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