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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    Ron Paul, who says he's all about personal responsibility, personal choices, personal freedoms, individual rights, freedom of expression, the legalization of drugs and the freedom of The Internet seems to have some rather opposing views when it comes to his campaign volunteers.

    And,oh yeah, don't talk to reporters and stay off the Internet.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1325171773-LpiZ/8hVQkHVjgZUxS1XLQ
     
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    Give me a break people... Just like your job has dress code, being part of a campaign can too.

    Ron Paul is about PERSONAL liberty. When you choose to work on behalf of something else, they can have their rules you need to follow.

    Ron wants to ensure people, like yourself, don't critize his supporters are fringe truthers and misrespresent his campaign.

    Don't you think this is a bit of a stretch in trying to smear him?
     
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    He doesn't want them looking like the "If it feels good do it OWS crowd or the left wing show biz Creeps"

    I'm getting to like this guy better every day, if I'm not wrong it wasn't to long ago there were many Liberals who also liked him.

    Also, where do you draw the line on "Individual Rights" surely ther must be a line somewhere even deep in the Bowels Of Loonville?
     
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    Harry you will love this article: Ron Paul's Lonely Breakfast of Champions - 2012 Decoded

     
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    The last thing any candidate needs is some freak representing them with tatoos all over his/her body.
     
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    This thread is a real fail.
     
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    Mrs. PF is a democratic operative ... she needs to do her job ... :D:D:D
     
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    Yeah....or a guy with a goatee or a beard. (Obviously there are no Orthodox Jews allowed to campaign for Ron Paul) Or someone with a Twitter account. Or a college kid in blue jeans and a Tim Tebow TeeShirt. Or a 22 year old with a beer in his hand after hours.

    It also leaves out 34% of our active military force...since that's the percentage of people currently in the Armed Forces with one or more tattoos - to say nothing of those who are veterans. If I were Ron Paul, I'd be looking for my military donations to nose dive sometime soon.

    BUt - who cares - Freaks, all of 'em. Freaks....riding on a bus with the slogan “Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain,” - all the while covering up their "Ameican First" tattoos, cutting their hair to conform to someone else's standard and forsaking their Twitter account and their unaliable right to free speech in 120 characters or less.
     
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    Your laughable, your reaching, and it's obvious...

    If you don't get this, you don't get much of anything else. He's asking people to be presentable as he import volunteers, I am sure every other campaign as well does this.

    But keep reaching...
     
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    This is modus operandi for the people he wants to appeal to: white supremists, anti-semitics, homophobics.. god forbid that any of them deviate from the mainstream norm.
     
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    I'n not the one who "doesn't get it," mcgraw.

    You are.

    Ron Paul doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell to win the nomination.

    Romney still leads in the Iowa poll - Santorum is closing in (his turn to be the flavor of the last week) and the best Ron Paul can hope for is to hang on for a few more weeks or months - but after that, he's toast.

    I do find it extremely hypocritical of both Paul and you to act as if his refusing to allow volunteers to show a tattoo or to have long hair or to wear blue jeans or to talk to the press or to Tweet about their experiences is all well and fine and understandable when you've both bent over backwards to say that when known bigots and recognized hate groups show their support for him by donating money or giving him endorsements it's just cool and dandy based on the excuse that "it doesn't mean Ron Paul supports them, it just means they support him."

    Why is he treating college kids with a tattoo or a goatee so much differently then he treats well known racists and hate mongers?
     
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    mrs, I don't understand your issue here. There's a vast difference b/t an employer (which Paul is, or essentially is, here) telling employees what they can and cannot do when working / volunteering, and b/t the government telling citizens what they can and cannot do.

    I think people should be able to drink and smoke weed legally. That doesn't mean I want them doing so when they're working for me.

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    (btw, I also think Paul sounds clueless in that breakfast anecdote. When you're a politician running for President, you don't get "privacy" when you're in the hotel dining room. If you want your breakfast in private during a campaign, eat your breakfast in private.)
     
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    Paul is not an "employer," in this case - and the volunteers are not his "employees." He is a politician and they are his supporters offering their support. Just like Don Black and Phillip Kayser are. He's never told Mr. Black or Reverend Kayser how to talk or who to talk to. On the contrary, he's gone out of his way to say they have the freedom and right to hold whatever views they hold and to still support him.

    If you can welcome the support of white supremists and homophobics and not worry that publically acknowledging that support might sully your own reputation you can surely find it in your heart to welcome the support of a tattooed veteran or a tweeting college kid without worrying that his tattoo or his tweet might offend someone.
     
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    INOW how you dress and look is everything, what philosophy you espouse and pontificate is not important.. how you dress is more important than what you say.

    I can imagine armies of Paulians, in short sleeve white shirts with skinny black ties, black pants and black shoes that reflect up...
     
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    that's why I said he essentially is an employer.

    These are volunteers acting in an official capacity for his campaign. Given that, it's perfectly reasonable for his campaign to instruct on appearance and behavior.

    That's different from people who support him but aren't doing so as part of his campaign. Paul would have no say over mcgraw's posting here, for ex, just because he happens to support Paul.

    (btw, I'm not saying his issues re tattoos, etc. are necessarily reasonable -- just that it's his campaign's call to make)
     
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    I kinda disagree. I understand your point, but I think people still deserve a certain level of privacy, or respect in certain situations. Be it an athlete eating dinner, or a politician having his breakfast. Why not just wait until the man is done. Next people will be following public figures into the restroom to ask them questions while they're whizing into a urinal.
     
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    You Libs are trying to ask him to live to standards you yourself don't live too.

    He asks that the government does not intrude on your personal liberties, that does not mean he wants to ban all requests from people of other people for certain levels of restraint in sme aspects of their lives.

    If the volunteer doesn't want to adhere, he is more than welcome too leave, and not be a part of the official campaign staff on election night.
     
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    OT: I'd agree with that, but the hotel dining room on the campaign trail when he's reading a paper by himself doesn't strike me as that situation.

    I think it would be rude to interrupt a conversation if he were talking to somebody else at the same table, for example.

    But he's now a public figure, he's actively campaigning, and he's in public. to me, that doesn't call for privacy -- it just makes him sound either grumpy or unrealistic about what he has gotten into.

    (btw, I don't have a lot of sympathy for famous athletes, either. I remember Michael Jordan whining about how he couldn't walk down the street in Chicago. The guy put himself out there and it made him hundreds of millions in endorsements. There's a price to be paid for fame, he / they can deal with it.)
     
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    Why wouldn't a true libertarian care?
     

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