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Increase Revenues = Better Economy, Not Higher Taxes

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    Good article about how administration regulatory policies are inhibiting jobs growth.

    BTW 398k new people filing unemployed first time in 4 months weekly unemployment ( at least until the revision is released next week, typically adding 2-5k onto initial figure)

    Increase Revenues = Better Economy Not Higher Taxes - Marita Noon - Townhall Finance

    just 1 quick example
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    Yeah, all those onerous regulations are really hurting the corporate bottom line.

    Oh, wait.
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    I think companies should just be able to pollute the earth and dump toxic waste wherever they want, f.. all of its citizens, f.. the land. ...
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    Exactly. Apparently some people don't care for pollution controls on coal-fired power plants.

    I don't see anything concrete in this article to suggest MORE deregulation would lead to increased revenues flowing to the government.
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    Well we have had scrubbers for many years, However as with everything else there is a point of diminishing returns.

    For example if we decide that .1 ppmillion of arsenic was acceptable in water there would be a cost associated with that, in many cases it would make sense. OTOH if we instead decided the level should be reduced to 1part per trillion the cost could rise by a factor of 1000x and might not make sense (BTW this is just an example I don't have any idea about arsenic in water, other than it is a naturally occurring substance that is in drinking water).

    In this case there have been requirements for scrubbers to remove particulate matter from the exhaust from coal fired power plants. They work very well, OF the goal is to put coal plants out of business you try to establish standards that are impossibly to meet economically. CO2 being defined as a pollutant is a joke since it is essential to life on this planet. No CO2 + No Plants and no people or animals.

    Of course the poor are disproportionately affected by increased energy cost.

    Given the attitude for utopias by Liberals the current unemployment rates will become the new norm under the dem party.
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    Just keep dumping chemicals into our rivers, oil into our oceans, pollute the air, raw sewage into our bays, dispose of hazardous wastes in our landfills.. it is all good, because it helps the corporatists bottom line. Decrease gas mileage standards, build more coal fired plants, raze mountains in West Virginia, pipe oil sands across British Columbia, stop all the brou ha ha about double hulled vessels, allow anyone to drill anywhere as they will police themselves, hydrofrack anywhere if you feel like it. It is all good, and apparently what the right wants...

    The bottom line that it never trickles down.. remove everything and see what happens.. if you did all of this nothing would happen that would benefit the common man, in this system the rich will get richer and the divide will increase.

    The health of the American People is not important, our precious land and rivers are not important, just make more money for the boys and girls on Wall St. that is all that is important.
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    and a piss-poor example, at that... look, we all know your camp goes through life perpetually trying to justify selfishness and greed, but please know what you're talking about when attempting "examples."

    your tactic of pretending the environment doesn't matter up against unemployment really rings quite hollow. It's not that black-or-white, and I'm pretty sure you know it.
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    Well, the more people die, the more the right wing can claim another debt reduction. One more widow, one less future obligation, to sanitize the Elvis Costello line. But then you would have to complain about the widow's social security survivor benefit, and the whopping $250 burial bene.
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    Last years Gulf Oil Spill showed the results of lax regulation..

    Now this year the Exxon Spill in Yellowstone..

    Montana Oil Spill | Yellowstone River oil spill outrages Montana residents - Los Angeles Times

    The Massey Coal Mine Disaster Also comes to mind, corporatists despite the regulation continue to take short cuts with our environment.
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    It's pretty ironic to be all worried about leaving our children debt when we're not at all worried about whether we'll be leaving them an earth worth living in - if, indeed, we've even left them an earth capable of sustaining life at all.
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    Deregulation is better, even though their children will have 13 toes and 14 fingers and have to walk around with an air filter on their face.
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    My grandchildren are look at a future that is impoverished for this country as a result of outmoded welfare policies, more dangerous than current policies that don't need to be expanded to unrealistic Utopian levels.

    Of course most of the libs commenting on this tend to be simpletons when it comes to science. As illustrated by this you tube video of people singing a petition to ban water:

    ‪Banning Water‬‏ - YouTube

    ‪Penn & Teller Bullshit - Environmental Hysteria Part 1‬‏ - YouTube

    ‪P amp T Bullshit Environmental Hysteria Part 2‬‏ - YouTube

    ‪Penn & Teller Bullshit - Environmental Hysteria Part 3‬‏ - YouTube

    Sheep. Emotions trump thought.
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    Welfare rates are less than 1/2 of what they used to be, before Clinton changed the law in 1995.. so welfare has changed significantly, and there is a 5 year cap on benefits..

    You tube compilation videos is where I get my scientific information;););)..

    In the context of previous environmental disasters like Chernobyl, Gulf Oil, Yellowstone Oil Spill, Exxon Valdez or Bhopal all indicate much more than a you tube video..,

    Thanks for the walk down the hysterical lane, even though it means nothing.
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    I got my last scientific information on climate change from a link to a guy who didn't know how to spell celcius on a graph.
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    I haven't see you have much in any scientific information, just regurgitating dem talking points to justify taxes on energy.
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    Of xourse the data is unchallenged as usual you focus on trivia like spelling rather than data, typical.
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    That's funny. You denounce emotion trumping thought (a denunciation I agree with) yet rely on a handful of youtube videos to somehow support your implication that conservatives are better educated or more rigid in their analyses of science-related issues.
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    I use the Penn and Teller videos as humorous examples of how people will believe anything whether they understand it or not, when it comes to the environment.

    Many libs tend to be pretty humorless.
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    right - like you said, emotion over thought.


    and even more pubbies, if you want to keep making blanket statements.

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