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  1. goheels22002

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    It's disconcerting to have Josh Boyer (Cornerbacks coach) and Brian Flores (Safeties coach) managing the greatest vulnerability on the team.

    It is not unusual to write about Dante Scarnecchia and the offensive line adjusting, adapting and improving. It is not unusual to comment on how the linebackers grow and develop as players, and as leaders, under Pepper Johnson. We gush about Josh McDaniels and his ability to put together a game plan that attacks the opponent's weaknesses. Belichick is a deity around here.

    How come those coaches are accountable and the two neophytes responsible for the secondary are not?

    One would think that the Patriots would have more experience in coaching a defensive secondary than either Boyer or Flores.

    (Flores is in his fifth season with the Pats, his first as a Safeties coach. Flores was a LB at BC. Boyer has a background that includes "coaching as an assistant coach at King's College (Pa.). He served as a grad assistant at the University of Dayton (2001) and Kent State (2002-2003) before becoming defensive backs coach at Bryant University in 2004. In 2005, he served as defensive coordinator for the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology. Boyer played at Muskingum College (Ohio) from 1996-99, playing wide receiver for 3 years before switching to DB as a senior. He was All-Ohio Athletic Conference as a DB.")
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    LOL.....in BB we trust.......directly and indirectly

    stop complaining......you can't even recognize a clear SB team when you can see one...the pats have everyone exactly where they want them


    I can't think of anything else to make me be even more facetious
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    Simple. If players improve, the coaches are good. If players don't improve, the players are bad.

    Or so goes the thinking in these parts.:rolleyes:
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    It's pretty simple. BB is the highest paid coach in the NFL.

    Scar , Pepper, Patricia and McDaniels probably make a good buck.

    All the other guys are just minimum wage filler, brought in from nowheresville, because the coaching budget has already been spent.
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    That's right, they were the clear Superbowl favorites last year too.

    How can people be so blind ?
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    Pats usually promote from within when they can. They rarely go and get a 'hired gun' DC or OC. I suspect the same is true of the secondary coaches.
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    And your point is? The question is whether this one of those rare times when we need help from outside. We need a secondary coach to help develop our corner and safeties coaches.

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    One of them is probably our future DC. Yay! The dominance continues.
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    These 2 need to step up their game. I doubt they are going anywhere for a while so BB needs to get in there and crack the whip. Clearly they need better oversight.
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    None of us know enough to say how good of a coach Boyer and Flores are.

    We do know that it's Belichick's schemes being implemented. We know that Belichick has final say on which players are drafted. We know that Belichick will not hire a DC from outside the organization 'cause he wants to do it his way.

    Belichick is one of the best coaches ever and i'm happy he's leading the team, but the fault of the secondary lies with him.
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    boyer is like pepe lepew.......he showed up with the pats in 2006, and the defense has incrementlly been worse every season since.......and, oh....look.....he's been involved with the secondary since 2009

    Josh Boyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    his experience reads like a practical joke...

    2000 King's College (Pennsylvania) (Graduate Assistant)
    2001 Dayton (Graduate Assistant)
    2002–2003 Kent State (Graduate Assistant)
    2004 Bryant (Defensive Backs Coach)
    2005 SDSM&T (Defensive Coordinator)
    2006–2008 New England Patriots (Defensive Coaching Assistant)
    2009–2011 New England Patriots (Defensive Backs Coach)
    2012–present New England Patriots (Cornerbacks Coach)

    LOL.....that's South Dakota School of mines.......I could guess to say this this guy is in a little over his head....WTF is BB doing a favor with this position?
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    they were the 2th worst pass defense in NFL history last year they add it a 2th round pick and a jag at safety they did get better but how much better did u think they would get ?

    as far as coaching goes they are all being coached by BB and any big name coach that knows BB's system are all HC's so who would they get
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    this year's defense is no better than last years.....not sure where you are getting the notion that it is

    what is Bb's system? both the offense and defense have changed a few times since he has been here.
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    I think it's clear that there's a issue somewhere in the organization, whether it's in scouting/drafting secondary personnel or in coaching them. Or, it could just be the players themselves, who through injuries/unforeseeable issues ended up not panning out in ways that scouting could not have predicted. I also have faith in Belichick to identify this problem and attempt (successfully, I hope) to fix it when the opportunity arises.
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    The Pats have given up 15 passing TD's this year which is tops in the league. They also lead the league in pass plays of 40+ yards. On one had the secondary is horrible. On the other hand terrible QB's have had all day to throw the ball.

    Something needs to change because what they are doing is NOT working. I think that it starts with the coaching, IMHO. All that kid did in the second half was throw the ball up. He knew that the SECONDARY sucked and so does everyone else.
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    Didn't see the last TD personnel but bedard points out that they were on base defense in the rice TD with them not playing nickel and not forcing seattle to run the ball more. Kinda opposite of the prevent D they usual play.
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    Someday Josh Boyer will be featured on NFL Network A Football Life.
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    Our DB's play a unique style of pass defense; soft coverage, anticipating the pass by watching the receiver and not the ball.......all in the name of bend don't break. It's intentional and has been a part of our defense for several years. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that too many players (if any) become comfortable with this strategy. The chronic breakdown between the safeties and the corners and the almost inevitable PI calls are consequences of the players inability to play within this scheme.
    It's not just the players, many enjoy a very successful 1st year here. It's how they're taught to play the position.
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    It probably has something to do with the team's greatest weakness being the NFL current rules and performance trending toward exploiting that weakness.
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    You have to be a uniquely talented coach to teach football to Mimes in South Dakota.
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