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  1. Patriot Artist

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    I found myself defending Caldwell at the playoff telecast last night. His dropped passes were, shall we say, not well received by my buddies.

    I defended the guy. Look at his GD face as he got back to the line. He knew he made those goofs. He has heart. He was hustling. Wanted to win. He was a key component to the Charger game. To our team.

    Yes Reche Caldwell needs to make adjustments, but I am proud of his play and attitude.
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    I like him, but those gaffs were horrid. He can't make many more 'big game' mistakes like that and expect to be counted on by Tom Brady.
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    I like Reche too, and I'm not one to write a player off completely due to a few goofs. Everyone makes mistakes (blah blah) and he has plenty of time to work on whatever he needs to work on. I'm not very eloquent with football language yet :D
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    The thing is, he dropped 2 VERY easy passes.
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    He is a nice avg reciever, but he should of caught those 2 passes..
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    both reche and jabar catch the ball with using their bodies not hands...
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    Yeah, I know. But I'm sure there are other examples of other players that have messed up in the same manner, or worse. God I wish I had a stellar knowledge of the NFL so I could make stronger points!

    I don't know, I just see the potential there, regardless.
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    Last night, I was MF'ing Reche hard at those to gaffs. Now that I had a {restless} night to mull it over, I've come to a certain peace. Not so much with this loss, that one will hurt a long time, but with Reche.

    Here was a guy that we brought in to be a borderline #2. He was a castaway that we jammed into the #1 role on what was the most maligned WR corps in the whole league. In general, he was up to the task all year. Yeah, he dropped the ball {literally and figuratively} on a couple key plays.

    What can you expect, he wasn't here to replace Peion, he was here to replace Givens, who dropped many a ball himself. Overall, looking at the big picture of 2006, Reche far outperformed my expectations of him when I heard we picked him up.

    That said, we NEED serious WR help.
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    Reche's drops were inexcusable and I would not be surprised if they ultimately cost him his job. They clearly were a case of playoff jitters. You simply can't drop easy catches like that when everything is on the line.
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    like he said
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    I think we could all forgive 1 gimme drop, even in the playoffs. But 2 potential game changing drops are unforgivable.
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    By the same tolken, missing a wide open Heath Evans underneath instead of forcing it into a doubly-covered TE for a pick on the last drive should cost TB his?

    Give me a break, yes...... they were stupid drops that should have been caught. If he was making 6M a year, I'd agree, no way you bring him back. Fact is, Reche is a #2 {at the very best}, or more likely a #3 guy. Just cuz we jammed him into the #1 spot all year, it doesn't mean we can expect his to act like one in every instance.

    Not defending him, as it is my sincere hope that we actually go out and pick up a legitimate #1 on the off-season, but I'd not opject to having Reche back to fight for the #2 or #3 spot.

    I'll give him a pass on the Indy game. Our problems went WAAAAAAY beyond his 2 dropped passes, they just did not help.
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    Faulk dropped a sure first down. Tommy forced the ball or made some bad throws. Seymour and Green jumped offsides. Lots of blame to go around.

    Reche looked to be trying to cradle the TD throw in anticipation of a hit to try and knock it out. A bad decision, but one of action not omission. On the sideline pass he was looking upfield before he caught the ball, another mistake of action. He's going to flog himself, and based on how well he's done this year, I expect him to be a major asset next season.
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    He isn't going anywhere...that's just silly.

    He is a nice #3 or #4 on this team.

    Not his fault that Chad Jackson is a bust.
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    He shall henceforth be known simply as "Ricochet" Caldwell in my household.
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    My point is that the drops were not physical mistakes, they were mental mistakes and he simply choked because of the playoff pressure. How can you trust a guy like that? I say bring him back to training camp, but don't pencil him into the lineup. Maybe he can be a No. 3 guy; I like Gaffney as a No. 2 possesion receiver. We need a speedy stud at No. 1.
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    Why the hell do you think the Chargers let him walk? Ricochet!
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    I've been a big fan of Reche all year. I think he did a tremendous job this year, and he deserves credit for stepping up and working well with Brady.

    Last night's drops were awful. There's no sugarcoating the fact. He should be held accountable for them, but giving up on a guy for one bad performance, no matter how big it is, is stupid and reactionary.

    You note the performance in his file. If it proves to be part of a greater trend then you act on it. Maybe you can use it to motivate him.
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    He has the tools. He just has a penchant for the big blunder.
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    You've already managed to come to that conclusion, eh?

    Pathetic.
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    I'd agree with that. Looking at the "big picture" of the whole season, we squeezed him into a spot that he was NOT prepared for (#1) and perhaps that because of unreasonable expectation, his gaffs last night put a little bit of extra sting into last obvious WR deficiencies.

    I'd say that, certainly in my case, because he seemed to step up into that role, towards the end of the year. That caused me (and I bet alot of you guys) to actually begin to say "hey, we actually got some decent receivers, perhaps we'll be okay their after all"

    As I sit back now and go over it, what we saw last night was that despite the gains that these guys made all year (learning the system, stepping up on a few key plays, ect....), there is NO HIDING the fact that were playing that position all year with #3 or #4 guys (with Gaffney possibly with #2 potential). The Deion saga of early on could not be painted over. Don't get me wrong, I put 75% (minimum) of that on Deion himself, but I think we all wanted to hope we got out of that situation without cost. It was an illusion.

    When it mattered most, TB was not comfortable with Reche (at least) and he reverted to that panic "TE first" mode that made him force that last ball into coverage (he had Heath Evans underneath). To get to the SB requires us to gunsling last nights game with the Colts. To do that we needed TB to be TB of course, but we also needed to give him some bullets. Asking him to do it with #3 or passibly #2's is asking ALOT.

    That's my take anyway. Not saying it's right, it's just me trying to make sense out of it all.

    Bottom line, Reche gets a pass from me. It's not his fault our WR situation was so F'ed up from the getgo this year, starting with "dollar sign" Deion's antics.
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    Like how bad he played in the SD game, oh wait:rolleyes:
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    I might add that despite all that........ In general, I am VERY pleased with the way Reche, Jabbar, and Troy did this year. I would liked to have seen something more (anything actually) out of Chad.

    These guys were asked to come in and step into roles that were WAAAAAAY beyond what thier skill and past experience had prepared them for....... and for the most part, they did pretty good with it towards the end.

    In fact, expecting us to get as far as we did with the WR tools we had was possibly a little unrealistic. And damn if we did not almost do it.

    I look forward to watching those guys again next year, just not as numbers 1, 2 and 3. They will do good things for us, but only if we ask them to do it within their skill level.
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    Jabar and Caldwell would make good #2 and 3 receivers, but can we all agree we need a go-to guy next year?
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    My take on Caldwell is bad game, great season. He was a low price find for the Pats. He isn't a #1 WR, but he can be a solid #2 or #3. You get an above average WR to be our #1 WR and the WR corp of that guy, Caldwell, and Gaffney could rival Branch, Givens, and Patten of 2003 and 2004.
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    Through no fault of his own Reche was thrust into a position of being something he simply isn't, namely a starting NFL WR who is a serious enough threat that he demands double team attention from opposing defenses. In such a capacity he failed, miserably and so too did his team.

    Reche did produce numbers but those numbers are skewed because he got them by default. He simply was the only man for the WR job and was fortunate enough to have a hall of fame QB around to get him the ball.

    Hopefully next year this Patriot team management doesn't blow it again and can figure out a way to secure a bonafide starting caliber WR, or two, so that Brady's immense passing skills and talents aren't wasted as they were this year.
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    Yes. I'm not going to fault him for dropping two passes. The "off with the head" mentality would lead us to a team with no players left. Everyone makes mistakes, if you can't correct them then over the course of next season we'll see where he fits.

    I admired his spirit and humility.
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    Brady hit him in a bad place...right in the hands. Too bad, he had a nice season. Now what do the Pats do with him?
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    He has to practice watching the ball all the way in with his eyes.
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    Yeah Brady could have been a touch more aware as well and taken a 2 step drop {instead of 5} and hit him right away like he should have. He could have scored.

    That's the problem with the blame game, it goes round and round.

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