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  1. The Gr8est

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    My brother sent this to me recently, it is well worth reading.

    "VERY SOBERING..................

    Please take the time to read this essay by Dr. Vernon Chong. It is

    without a doubt the most articulate and convincing writing I have read

    regarding the War in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to

    his essay and give a fair evaluation. Dr. Chong is a retired Air Force Surgeon

    and past Commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio.

    If you would like to see who this fellow is, go to this Air Force web sight

    and look him up. http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C


    Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA: A different spin on Iraq war.


    This WAR is for REAL!

    Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

    Tuesday, July 12, 2005

    To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is

    now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we

    have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

    The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are

    very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who

    realize what losing really means.

    First, let's examine a few basics:

    1. When did the threat to us start?

    Many will say September 11, 2001.

    The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years

    prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

    * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;

    * Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;

    * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;

    * Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;

    * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;

    * Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;

    * Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;

    * Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;

    * Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;

    * New York World Trade Center 2001;

    * Pentagon 2001.

    (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist

    attacks worldwide).


    2.. Why were we attacked?

    Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks

    happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1,

    Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as

    there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate

    predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.


    3. Who were the attackers?

    In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.


    4. What is the Muslim population of the World?

    25%


    5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

    Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the

    predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the

    dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no

    difference. You either went along with the administration or you were

    eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for

    political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests).

    (see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm)

    Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the

    six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of

    anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world

    focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in

    his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German,

    Christian or any others.

    Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill

    all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.

    The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection

    to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may

    be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what

    they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements --

    killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What

    would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

    6. So who are we at war with?

    There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the

    Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing

    this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't

    clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

    So with that background, now to the two major questions:

    1. Can we lose this war?


    2. What does losing really mean?


    If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:

    We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the

    major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the

    answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

    It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means

    hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our

    business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

    What losing really means is:

    We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will

    not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us

    dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not

    have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18

    years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us until we were

    neutered and submissive to them.

    We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear of

    reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and

    cannot help them.

    They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be

    increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't

    matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from

    Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and

    told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will

    be done. Spain is finished.

    The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they

    might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished

    too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However,

    it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and

    fading fast!

    If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will

    all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if

    they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslim

    terrorists, how could anyone else?

    The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore

    are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too

    and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

    Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until

    we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of

    our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100%

    effort to win. "(cont'd)
     
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  2. The Gr8est

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    (essay continuation)


    "So, how can we lose the war?

    Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is,

    defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose,

    and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we

    are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be

    divided, there is no way that we can win!

    Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life

    and death seriousness of this situation.

    President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.

    Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between

    17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does

    that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the

    duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have

    become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil

    rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.

    And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil

    rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in

    fact added many more since then.

    Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

    No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political

    Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a

    clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them

    out of your head.

    Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the

    Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us

    lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is

    because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that

    conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and

    weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

    Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media

    regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best

    what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment

    of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.

    These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their

    own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their

    tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with

    Saddam Hussein.

    And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed

    400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same

    type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging

    their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more

    recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all

    news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they

    held.

    Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days

    have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some

    Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses

    through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

    Can this be for real?

    The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the

    Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of

    comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are

    fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results

    of losing this war, nothing can.

    To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner

    issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally

    oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other

    country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean

    that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means

    that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we

    are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many

    years.

    Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That

    translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but

    throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.

    We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is

    valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we

    are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of

    all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we

    can defeat anything bad in the world! We can't!

    If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and

    no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

    And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow

    freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the

    press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any

    status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that

    contributes to the good of the world.

    This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we

    will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the

    Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to

    be written or read.

    If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims

    take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to

    increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by

    little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting

    among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will

    continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.

    Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

    Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external

    military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct

    piece by politically correct piece.

    And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,

    worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to

    themselves, once they are in power.

    They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then

    start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the

    masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the

    "peaceful Muslims"?


    I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are

    united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now, after the election,

    the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation

    we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are

    talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it."


    This is a powerful essay, the only disagreement I have with him is when he says that some of our media pundits and politicians are disloyal. When so many of them are opposing the war based on a political calculation to regain political power it is nothing BUT disloyal....and treasonous.
     
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    Good read and sobering.
     
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    The sore losing Bush Haters will let this thread die out, reading things like this upsets them they stare off into space then walk over to their piano and look at the picture they have of John Fonda Kerry hugging Jimmy Sissy Carter.
     
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    Where do I begin with this piece of bile?

    1. When did the threat to us start?

    It didn't start in the 1970s as the author claimed, it started with Colonialism, and since then the violence as been a reaction to western imperialism and profiteering. Certainly, it's easy to see that the people of region really do not want us there. Even Reagan understood that when he 'cut and run' from Lebanon.

    2.. Why were we attacked?

    Imperialism and profiteering, helping Israel establish itself on Arab land (and, yes, I support Israel), installing puppet leaders, pitting the Arabs against each other (as the French did between Morocco and Mauritania, for example), and so on.

    3. Who were the attackers?

    The attackers were all Muslims, just as the western attackers were all Christian. Some of the Muslims were secular.

    4. What is the Muslim population of the World?

    25%

    5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

    We've installed corrupt governments and the war we are fighting is really an Arab civil war. By wiping out the Baathists, we played right into the hands of Al Qaeda. The Baathists, as a secular group, was the natural enemy of Al Qaeda, and now they are gone and they are fighting for religious power. For the people in the region, they can choose between Al Qaeda and corrupt governments in the pocket of western nations. In that situation, Al Qaeda still must look bad to the oppressed Muslims, but perhaps not as bad as we think they are. The Muslims are as peaceful as anyone, but corrupt governments are weak and provoke a reaction. Al Qaeda and the Baathists, as horrible as they are, were reactions to Colonialism, corruption, and western aggression.

    6. So who are we at war with?

    "There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
    Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing
    this conclusion can well be fatal."

    I don't think anyone denies we're at war with the Muslim terrorists. The guy is idiot for thinking otherwise.

    1. Can we lose this war?

    He is talking about the war on terrorism. No one wants to lose that war. The issue is how to win it.

    2. What does losing really mean?

    He goes into a ridiculous rant about world domination by Muslim fundie terrorists. Again, the dispute is how to win the war and how to wage the war, not whether it should be conducted.

    - Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

    The author blames political correctness, and goes on another ridiculous rant how, apparently, we should feel free to fight this war by suspending liberty and justice for all, as well as other values. The author admits that the Muslim radicals are a minority in the region. Our goal should be to empower the majority, but that is done through diplomacy, education, development grants, and so on. War is turning friends into enemies, and our crimes are being held up by our foes to help rationalize their own brutality.

    Lastly, the letter is an urban legend. The author is unknown:

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/chong.asp
     
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  6. The Gr8est

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    It came to me from my brother in an email in it's entirety. I had no link .
     
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    Yeah, sorry, I should have deleted my note earlier.
     
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    Bile Patters? Oh yeah I forgot, it doesnt jibe with your Blame America first and foremost mentality.


    The only bile in this thread has been spewed by you as usual.


    WE HATE AMERICA AND ALL SHE STANDS FOR!!!

    - The Looney left
     
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    Are you and Harry Boy one in the same? Remember, one person should not post under two names.
     
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    Oh Jesus My God, NO LINK, your in for it now, they want proof by God, your not going to put anything over on these Liberals.
    :bricks:
     
  11. The Gr8est

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    Does the fact that the author is not known make what was written incorrect? No matter who wrote it it is brilliant...and right.
     
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    Nem you know more about right wing talking points than anyone else on this board. I never watch Hannity and Colmes, O'reilly or any other talking head. I read two media websites CNN and Foxnews. My point is just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they get it from Rush or Savage or any other "talking head" it just might be possible that they came to that conclusion based on their own research and personal experiences. ;)
     
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    No, not at all, I expressed my objections carefully and only added the snopes link at the end, as an aside. I really thought it was a very poor piece. Maybe on a purely emotional level it appeals to those who agree with the writer.
     
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    And it doesn't appeal to those that Hate Bush.
     

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