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    Images from Tehran - Not the MSM's Tehran for sure. These pictures don't mean Tehran is cuddly and warm ... nor do they mean the opposite. But pictures like these don't engrain the proper mentality for the anti-Tehran rhetoric ... so we don't ever see them in the MSM do we. Obama is not hope and change ... because the media calls the shots ... not saying anything new here ... just commenting on the old I guess.

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    Its to bad that most of these people have to live under a regime they don't want.

    A few months ago i saw a clip of an Iranian doing an imitation of Jon Stewart doing an imitation of "W" he had it down pat, really funny.
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    Not sure where you were going with this, but Iran's government are still pieces of trash. Iran's citizens weren't protesting an election simply for the hell of it...
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    Well we have the same thing here ... as seen by our town halls. I think we're way closer to being similar than we are to being different, but our media portrays it differently. Their media is state controlled our media is supposed to be free but really it's corporately controlled by the same people who get our politicians elected.

    So do they rountinely see pictures of inner NY, LA and Chicago or do they see Martha's Vineyard, Colorado and the golf courses of the Carolina's?

    We think they will be dangerous if they have nuclear weapons yet we have participated in far more wars in my lifetime than they have. The pictures don't prove anything except they show a side to a country our media does not want us to routinely see. We are always seeing media portrayal of the bad guys as ruling over bad countries. The media engrains who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
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    You can also turn this around and use it to describe Americans. People from countries outside of the United States (especially Europe and the Middle East) seem to think that all Americans are just lazy, overweight, racist, warmongers. That's simply not true.
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    The impact of all war effects mostly the non combatants, that is why war can never be taken lightly or a video game... see Iraq, Viet Nam etc... without regard interesting music in the background, Yusuf Islam, aka Cat Stevens... think he was banned from entering the country for a while.
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    W could be really funny and i mean that in a good way. To this point i think its much harder to find some trait thats actually funny about Obama.
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    Some muslims are. Some aren't. The muslims that work with me are as you and me as the next guy. The muslims in SA, Yemen, etc. where they won't let women drive, and sentence rape victims to jail, are not.
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    I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. I think the MSM has repeatedly pointed out that the Iranian people are not the problem, and that the government is. We heard that message repeated with the chaos following the election there. Posting pictures of some foliage, or snow covered mountains means what exactly? Our MSM, as eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil as they are in showing horrible pictures of Iran, don't show the dead homosexuals, hanging by the neck from cranes in downtown Tehran, for all the public to see. Have you seen those pictures on the front of the Globe, NYT, or WSJ? Hell no. I've seen them on the front page of Il Messegero though. So for all the snow covered mountains you say they don't show, remember all the publically hung homosexuals too.
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    That doesn't mean Muslims in general are any worse than Christians or Jews. South African, German, Serbian, and American Christians were pretty horrible in the 20th century, for instance. I guess if you had to pick the most backward, screwed-up religious countries it would go to the hard-core Muslims sh!tholes you mentioned. I'll give you that.
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    Are we talking about 2009, or 1929? I'm talking about the world we currently live in. I work with Bosnian muslims, and they are terrific people. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the wahabiists in SA are slightly different than the people I'm mentioning. So sure, there are muslims that are no different than Jews, Christians, etc. However, there are also muslims in certain parts of the world that are far, far worse. It is what it is, and you can't demonize a billion plus people, because 10% of them are a little nuts.
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    The point is that if you asked the average American to paint a picture of Iran it would not look anything like the images in the OP, or what everyday life is like for the average Persian.

    Nobody is saying that Iran is a perfect country or that their government is credible. The point is that they are more like us than different from us, despite the propaganda. Imagine if the 2000 US election went down in the same way it did here in somewhere like Iran how it would be spun, which is pretty much what happened recently. This country is simply not the threat it is made out to be by the corporate media. All the hyperbole and hysteria is only going to slow down reformists by giving leverage to the conservative religious nuts in charge that talk about outside agitators and the U.S. agenda.
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    People get confused with the backasswards tribal world of Afghanistan, and the dustbowl of Iraq.. Iran is a beautiful country, and in many ways looks more western than mideastern. When it becomes personalized, it becomes more real...
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    What makes Muslim COUNTRIES (not their people) so eff'd up is that their crazy religious laws are also the laws of their land (Sharia law). I'll also say that I fault the people for following them.

    This is the 21st century no matter what country you're from.
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    I agree. But you began by saying it's not the people who are f--d up but end by blaming them for their government. I think it can be both. Look at how people in this country lay down for the government we live under, keep voting for Republicrats over and over again, expecting something different to come out of it. My guess is that the "voters" in KofSA are fat and happy and like the way they live. Of course, the voters there are wealthy and male living in the ultimate nanny state.
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    They did fight a war with fanatacism that's wholly alien to our conception, sending children to minefields. They'd be in competition who could be blown up first.

    They all wore keys made in Taiwan that indicated that'd go immediately to Paradise.

    And, oh yeah, Iran lost a million in the Iran-Iraq War, which I believe is more than all our wars put together.
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    During the Iran Iraq war, the Iranians had brigades of kids, teenagers maybe, who were armed only with Korans. They had these kids attack Iraqi positions in the desert, in waves. They succeeded in overrunning the Iraqi positions because the Iraqi's ran out of ammo gunning the kids down, and had to retreat. Talk about some sick *****. Now, I know this is not the people of Iran who put together the Koran armed units. However, it was the people's children who filled them, and they openly accepted the a concept.
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    Iran and Iraq acted savagely in this war. It was the deadliest in the last 50 years and, of course, it was a proxy war between the US and the USSR. Boith superpowers decided to let them try to destroy each other if not permanently, then at least temporarily. This, like everything, needs to be put in context:

    Crimes Of War Project > The Book

    "For much of its duration, the conflict was construed in many foreign eyes as a curious throwback to World War I’s murderous trench warfare, complicated by ideological zeal indecipherable to those unversed in the Middle East’s ancient, bloody, and unforgiving history. Initially the West found the belligerents so equally menacing and unattractive that cynics, personified by former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, delighted in both regimes’ progressive debilitation.

    The “best” outcome was deemed the mutual exhaustion of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s Iranian Islamic Republic, which was bent on spreading revolution across the Muslim world, and of Saddam Hussein’s secular, imitation-Prussian regime in Iraq notorious for bullying its own citizens and the smaller Gulf Arab oil sheikhdoms. This patronizing attitude provided the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council with ethically questionable justification for inaction despite binding obligations in the face of repeated and manifest violations of international treaties to which Iran and Iraq and, of course, they were signatories.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), neutral guarantor of acceptable warfare’s rules known as international humanitarian law, was reduced repeatedly to breaking its customary silence to express explicit exasperation with the belligerents’ misbehavior and implicit criticism of the great powers’ indulgent complicity with such violations."
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    I had a good friend who was growing up Pashtun (Afghanistan). This was around 2002 - 2004. The stories he told me were fascinating. We would discuss 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan all the time. He both hated and respected the Taliabn and OBL simultaneously. It took a while to understand this thinking. Dying under Taliban rule in many cases was a better choice than living under their rule - especially for one's family.

    His father smuggled him out of the country when he was younger - he never saw his family again. In any case ... he's telling me that at that time the Taliban would simply recruit your teenage son, but not recruit like we think it. They made you an offer you could not refuse. Either you went with the Taliban or your family paid the price or they would lose protection. It depended on how much influence your tribal leaders had.

    Not to say this is what we saw in all cases but if you love your family and/or your god (Allah) then dying for both or one is an easy choice to make. This man's father knew he had to get his son out of Iraq. Jack thinks his family may have still paid a price for that decision - he doesn't know. But the decision to disappear had a better chance of a good outcome for the family than the choice of rejecting the Taliban.
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