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  1. HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

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    because if he is available you can count on the Pats taking him. Although he may be a great player for the Pats 3-4 scheme, the Pats don't need any more lineman this early. However, if the value isn't there for safety, cornerback, linebacker, offensive tackle, then I guess I would be ok with the pick. In the end, I think Carriker will go to the San Fransico 49ers with the 11th pick, but you never know.


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    As good and as deep as our D line is, it never hurts to have more high quality players.. this team is built in the trenches and Marquise Hill can be replaced.
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    it doesnt if u dont have glaring needs. We have some pretty big needs.

    our LBs are all 30 + or about to be

    our safeties will be depleted after this year..Harrison + Wilson = injury prone..Wilson is an FA and i dont see him resigning unless he plays full yr and plays well and Harrison is close to retirment. Hawkins is not the answer..hes servicable

    at CB..Samuel is whining..Scott is aging..Andrews is Special Teaming..Gay is usually hurting

    HELP
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    DL isn't like OL where you like to play your starters all game. Rotations, injuries, 4-3, etc, Carriker would bring a lot to the team and be a great pick. He'll be long gone, though.
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    I think so and hope so. For some reason I'm viewing this draft differently than others. We were one stop away from the SB and should be there again, if we take care of the ILB situation.

    Maybe we already have and I'm just not seeing it.
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    Your absolutely right. It wasn't the dropped pass by Caldwell for a walk in touchdown or the Pats offense as a whole, but it was the linebackers simply couldn't cover any of the Colts TE's in the second half. Also, we all know the Pats have had trouble covering other opponents TE's and slot recievers. I know you and I would like to see ILB Willis in a Pats uniform but we will need a lot of luck for that to happen. But PATSNUTme, anything is possible.
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    I think Harris would be a good fit for our 3-4. AD can slip inside also to cover the TE's. But, we can't count on Tedy to have a flawless year and we need a good young ILB to take some reps for Tedy.
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    I like David Harris too. I saw him play many times this year and he is always around the football. He stood out more to me than any other player on that defense.
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    I don't see how a guy with his intangibles, size, and skill set lasts this long.
    He played a 2 gap scheme in college which prevented him from making plays.
    In the senior we all got a glimpse of what he could do when given the opportunity to play 1 on 1 and be given only 1 blocker to get through.

    Imagine Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, and Carriker as a 4 man front in pass situations or even in a 4-3 alignment. Mix in Green for Wilfork in long pass situations and move Seymour/Warren inside.

    I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
    Keep in mind that if we draft a Beason/Timmons type OLB or any olb that can play in space/coverage we could do serious serious damage from the 4-3.

    Not ever going away from the 3-4 of course, but the ability to line up in a 4-3 when we want with those 4 would be quite scary.

    I don't think any one of those 4 could be blocked 1 on 1.
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    :rocker: [maniacal laughter] My plan to totally dominate the line of scrimmage will come to fruition when BB trades Asante to move up and snag the Nebraska Frankenstein monster! [/maniacal laughter] :rocker:
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    Agreed.
    He totally has a freak like forehead.
    I'll list that amongst one of his strengths.
    'Large forehead intimidates O-linemen'

    Yeah.
    Firm believer in starting from the front out.
    a Great D-line makes everyone's job easier.
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    Everything you say is perfectly correct IMO. Great job!
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    I agree wholeheartedly. In addition to Carriker, my favorite CB (Revis) will be gone also. Correction: A slim to none chance they'll make it to #24.

    IMO (who else's), the likelihood of Revis and Hall both off the board means we wait till later for a CB, as both Ross and Houston don't seem to fit the Pats.

    The rising of Staley, Harrell, Griffin, now make them #24 possibilities, when not too long ago they were #28 options. Nelson and Meriweather remain wildcards somewhere in round one with our picks.

    This draft is the most difficult one for me to predict. Hope it all comes together quickly well before the 28th...
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    So which is scarier, Carriker forehead or Caldwell eyes? ;)
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    The eyes have it...
    I'd love to add Carriker to this team though. I really don't see a downside to adding a guy with an ideal frame/body size (6-6 295) for 3-4 DE that can take on double teams, collapse the pocket, and occasionally terrorize the QB.

    I mean think of a nickel front 4 consisting of Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Carriker. There's no way you can double team all of them.
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    Scary thing is by adding Carriker's speed he can line up at any position in the front 7. Along with Adalius Thomas they could really show alot of the strangest packages ever seen on a football field.
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    Great point. But we need to upgrade our Linbackers in order to be more effective in those packages. The Pats can show any look they want but if they can't cover, it won't matter.
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    We have 4 pretty damn good LB. We don't need LB. We need youth, depth, developmental guys, sure.

    But Thomas, Vrabel, Colvin, Bruschi, however they configure them are fine. What draft pick will beat one of them out ?
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    I understand but don't you realize that Bruschi and Vrabel aren't the players they used to be? They couldn't cover the Colts tight ends in the AFCCG. So yes, I think we need some inside linebackers. Get ready, because they just might take David Harris in the first round.
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    If Pittsburgh is on the clock and Carriker is still around by then Adam will become a steeler - Probably a nice fit there - No way does Pittsburgh pass on him.
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    Am not referring to need or value, but if he is available(which I believe he will not be) too good a talent to pass up. If he were drafted he would be locked up for at least 5 years, along with Seymour,Warren, Wilfork and a very AD this would prove to be an interesting rotation. Is it better to draft someone who might be good, as opposed to someone everyone agrees will be good.. I choose the latter.
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    :singing: The Pats have...One little, Two little, Three little draft picks, Four little, Five little, Six little draft picks, Seven little, Eight little, Nine little, draft picks, Ten little draft picks now (and Asante to trade). :singing:

    Just in case anyone thinks one or more of those can't be used to grab an (apparently) superfluious big body for the D-line...not to mention having a Carriker may also mean trade offers for Jarvis and/or Wright, maybe even a conditional seventh for Hill or S. Thomas. And I'd still love to see Carriker taking OLB reps alongside Ty.
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    Line them up on special teams together covering a punt/kick.
    Carriker could since Wright does it... Carriker ran a 4.79 so this is NOT inconceivable.

    Anyway, How scarred would you be as a return if wild eyes and freak were coming down towards you?
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    I agree that there's not a glaring need for another DL, except a NT sub for VW. But, unless Hill has more promise than we've seen, the chance to beef up the rotation with Carricker is too good of a value to pass on. Good big men are rare and the fall off is steep. DBs are abundant and the quality is still there in the later rounds. They also last longer and can be picked up in FA or off the street for depth. What would we do if Ty or Sey or VW went on IR???
    Wright and green can fill in somewhat but there's no subs to give them a blow. Quality DL depth is a top priority, IMO.
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    David Harris will still be around in round 2. Carriker won't. That tells you about the difference in talent.

    If Carriker lasts till 24 the Pats will gobble him up and I'm pretty sure Harris would still be available at 28 if they want to go in that direction.
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    Yeah, let's blame Vrabel and Bruschi as opposed to being forced to play Alexander and Tully and being down to our 18th string safety. I didn't even know we had signed Rashard Baker until they started calling his name.

    This team is built on the d-line, has four legit starters at LB and ton of draft picks for depth. why would we not want one of the legit 1st rounders to fall to us? so we throw a pick at an inferior talent because it'll make our message board depth charts look prettier?
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    Carriker also gives this team the freedom to play a 4-3,4-4 (5-3>with Adalius spying as a safety.} I know there is a chance that he doesn't pan out but the possibilities with his speed and size are endless. But like most have mentioned he won't be there anyway so keep dreaming. But if he was I think it would be a mistake to pass on him.
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