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If you could redo last years 1st pick, would you still take Meriweather?

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    Im not sure id trade Meriweather for any of those players only cause I havent seen enough of him yet, im sure thats going to change next season. If I didnt have any faith that he could become a really good saftey id give him up for Beason quick, but I like what I seen from him late in the season, just needs to hold on to the damn ball....
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    the only player that i would even consider would be beason...but hes too small for our scheme...so nope, meriweather was fine

    i just hope we had used the second 1 pick
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    Hell, I'll go into the 2nd round and take David Harris instead of Merriweather right now.
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    Harris should have been the pick. I still don't understand why they didn't take him.
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    I would take Spencer, LaMarr Woodley, Staley, Weddle before Merriweather. But most of all David Harris.
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    Really, it's a stupid question, and for a few different reasons.

    1) We don't actually know how good of a Pro Meriweather will eventually develop into. He could develop into one of the top 2-4 FS's in the league, or just a good starter. I think he'll eventually be mentioned as a top 3-5 FS, but I obviously don't have a crystal ball...

    2) Some of the players who put up better rookie numbers could go into a slump, and their rookie season ends up being their best as a pro. Injuries have also derailed a number of promising careers.

    3) The Patriots could have selected any number of the players who went after Meriweather, if they truly wanted one of them. David Harris is a good example, as the Patriots could have selected him at 28th overall, and had both Meriweather and Harris on the roster. The rumor circulating the day before the draft had NE selecting him too, but they obviously didn't see the value. Remember, at the time their trade with the 49ers looked like a discount in San Fran's favor, but they stunk it up in 2007, and NE turned that 4th into Randy Moss, so everyone forgets NE (at the time) took a discount to trade out of the pick.
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    Saying it now: Meriweather will be a top 5 safety in this league within 2 years. I wouldn't trade him for anyone, and really the only player that's anything to brag about after him in the first round was Beason.
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    Why would you take Harris? Because he got a lot of tackles playing in a garbage defense? Sorry, thats a pretty poor excuse.
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    Yea, it seems a lot of Patriots fans are forgetting a number of those tackles came 10 yards plus downfield, too. I'd like to have David Harris on the Patriots roster, but not at the expense of dropping Meriweather. Also, they would need to draft a Safety in the first two rounds this year, and last year was the stronger Safety crop. Also, that Safety wouldn't have Meriweather's year of experience in the system.
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    Tough call. He didn't have a very good rookie season and took him until the superbowl to get adequate playing time. It's not like the Pats had stellar safeties in front of him on the depth chart. James Sanders was supposed to back up Harrison at SS while the FS spot was supposed to be wide open between Wilson and Merriweather. I was really dissapointed in Merriweather because Wilson isn't very good and it was Merriweather's spot to lose. He didn't take advantage of it and the Pats were forced to start James Sanders at FS. With that said, it's easy to say that Beason or Harris should have been the pick because of their statistics but Merriweather showed he can be a playmaker too (he just couldn't keep his hands on the ball). I think next season Merriweather will be a completely different player and start at FS opening day. I just hope he's not the next Mike Rumph. So yes, Merriweather was the right pick.
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    Well, 1st off, Sanders played both safety positions and how can you be disappointed in Meriweather when he had to get around both Wilson and Sanders to see playing time? The Pats defense is one of the most complex in the league. Yes, you think he should just be able to walk onto the field and start? Sounds to me like your expectations are unrealistic.

    Mike Rumph sucked from day one. Meriweather was brought along slowly and didn't suck. Also, the Pats tried to use him at CB in TC and that certainly didn't help his ability to learn the safety position.

    I am not going to predict that Meriweather will win the starting job opening day. He's got competition from Sanders and Harrison. Now, you are probably asky why I say both Sanders AND Harrison. Its because those three are vying for the two starting safety positions. And whether people on this board like it or notm, Sanders has Belichick's vote of confidence as being a starting calibre safety. He's said as much on several occasions. So has Rodney Harrison.
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    At the time I was really dissapointed they didnt take Beason. Not because I thought he would fit the pats, but because I think he will make a better PRO. I think his play is more versitile than most, and I think he will raise the standard of Miami LBs have had in the league behind Ray Lewis.
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    I like Meriweather and think he'll be a good player. The only thing with him is how many interceptions he'll drop when playing full time? He could cost a game or two. He gets into position to make the play but man, catch the damn ball.

    Back to redoing the draft, Joe Staley will be a better player than BMW,IMO, but I wouldn't trade the players since SF would not have given us their #1 this year.

    And regarding David Harris making takles down field: He didn't have much help from his DL. We'll see how he fares this year with an "improved" front three.
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    I like Meriweather and think he'll be a good player. The only thing with him is how many interceptions he'll drop when playing full time? He could cost a game or two. He gets into position to make the play but man, catch the damn ball.

    Back to redoing the draft, Joe Staley will be a better player than BMW,IMO, but I wouldn't trade the players since SF would not have given us their #1 this year.

    And regarding David Harris making takles down field: He didn't have much help from his DL. We'll see how he fares this year with an "improved" front three.
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    Well, my guys were Meacham and Spencer at that spot. If the Patriots knew they were getting Moss, then Meacham was probably out of play. But I didn't think Meriweather was a first round talent then, and I don't see it now. I would have taken Spencer then, and I'll stand by that decision.

    Since this is hindsight, 20/20 and such, wouldn't it have been great to have Spencer on the roster when Colvin went down?

    Oh, and knocking David Harris because he has a garbage DL in front of him is doing a dis-service to his abilities. He wasn't out of place, and was one of the Jets top 4-5 defenders. He would have looked great here in the ILB rotation.
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    And are the next three on your list Greg Olsen, Baraka Atkins, and Kareem Brown?
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    Saying that he was one of the top 4-5 defenders on a team that went 4-12 isn't saying much. The fact remains that many of his tackles were made well beyond the line of scrimmage. Also, Its questionable whether Harris would have even been able to have even a modicum of the same "success" in the Patriots defense., let alone made it into the rotation. He might have. He might not have.

    All we know is that the Patriots decided to NOT use either the 24th or the 28th picks in last year's draft to take Harris feeling that Meriweather and trading for a 1st round pick in 2008 and a 4th in 2007 offered better value than Harris in the Pats estimation.
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    Meriweather saw more playing time and I bet he will be playing a much bigger role this year. As the season rolled on he always seemed to be in the pile getting involved in the plays. I think he is developing nicely, even if it is a littler slower than us instant gratification lovers crave.
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    i wiill also go on record and say that meriweather doesnt drop any ints next yr.....and in fact gets 2 tds too
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    Frankly, Weddle, a second round pick (#37 overall) outpeformed Meriweather. I will say that the Pats defense is a hard thing to break into, especially as a mere rookie. I'd say, we need to give this some time before a proper evaluation can be made.
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    He has the worst hands ever. I bet Vince Wilfork has better hands... I don't recommend it but if you are silly enough to watch the last Giants drive in the Superbowl focus on Merriweather. There were lots of other missed plays but he had his chances as well:
    1) makes a nice play on the ball and then jumps up and, and... lets the ball go right through his hands... the ball was a total floater
    2) 2nd last play, maybe 3rd last... it was a 3rd and 11 and he loses Smith in the flat and allow him to pick up 12 yards and the first down. Brutal play, at a minimum he has to stay with him, tackle him in bounds short of the 1st down

    Merriweather was the 4th Safety taken in round 1, think about that. I doubt it if there ever has been 4 safeties taken in round 1. From what I have seen from Merriweather a player with similar impact could have been taken in rounds 2-4. Hopefully he hits the weights and playbook hard and steps up his game, he hardly looked like a 1st round talent.
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    He doesn't have "the worst hands ever". While his hands could use some work, you're going overboard. I watched him make some picks in college, and keep in mind that Asante Samuel had the same problem until he started holding onto all those dropped INT's. It would have been nice if Meriweather could have held on to those 3-4 possible INT's, but it was at least a good sign to see him in position to make a play on the ball.

    I know what play you're talking about in the SB. He jumped up and reached out to try and catch the ball as it was coming in over his shoulder, but it was seemingly just out of his reach or he slightly misjudged it. Ellis Hobbs and a Giants WR came diving in as the ball was just going past Brandon's fingers, and took his legs out.

    I have to go back and watch that catch by Smith. I know Meriweather pushed him out, but I'm not sure that he was actually "covering" him. It looked like he was downfield, and came in to make the tackle when smith got open in the vacated zone. Seemed like it was a designed clear out by the Giants, if I remember correctly. I think either Asante or Meriweather (maybe both) got cought up in some trash when they tried to come back? I know they were both in the same area. I can't remember for sure though.

    I do remember Asante had the game sealing INT literally bounce right off his fingers. Man, do I have to go back and watch that final drive again? :bricks:

    Sometimes I think fans forget it can take some time to adjust after making the jump to the NFL, and I'll never understand why some people get so down on players during their rookie seasons. It just doesn't make sense to me, and never has.
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    I would have traded the rest of the team's picks (since none made the team) to move up and take Nelson or the Texas safety (Griffin or Griffith, can't recall). Both looked to be doing quite well toward the end of the year and certainly made more of a Year 1 impact than Merriweather (who I like a lot).
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    Anybody but that punk Meriweather. The only thing I ever saw him do this past season was hit guys late or run his mouth. Terrible pick...
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    This is asinine. The guy was a part time player his rookie year, as the vast majority of rookies we bring in are. That's one of the benefits of having such a strong team, you don't need to rush rookies into full-time duty.

    Given the state of the safety position right now (and the defensive backfield in general), I'm certainly glad that we picked Meriweather. I'm going to wait and see how he performs over a full season of regular duty before I pass judgment. Anyone who wants to do otherwise is just being reactionary.
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    Nelson was an impact player his rookie year. I remember saying I liked him, but people kept putting him down for his wonderlic score. Looked like I was right. I don't think we had the ammo to move up for a Nelson though, so it's probably a moot point.
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    Nelson isn't intelligent at all, and has a hard time understanding complex defenses. The Jags defense isn't what I'd consider complex, and they've got a thing for Florida players anyways.

    Also, Meriweather's a better tackler, and better against the run.

    Again, because Nelson made a bigger impact during his rookie season doesn't mean he'll be the better pro, or would have been a better fit in NE's defense. So, I don't know how it "looked" like you were right.
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    I like Merriweather and I think he will develop into a great player under BB and Capers as DB coach. He does need a little work on his hands, but that will come with some practice, like it did with Asante. He's a hard hitter and I'm excited to see what he blossoms into.
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    I would take Beason. He's proven to be a tough, big-enough and productive player. It's still plenty early for Meriweather, though, I won't be giving up on him...yet.
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