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  1. RI Patriots fan

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    Unions, once again, try to force people to join their ranks and give them money. Imagine if you were forced to join a church or mosque and give them money :eek:

    But that's what communism is all about.....lack of choice, bend your will to the will of "the people". And of course, you can't forget.....collect those union dues :rocker:

    The Progressive faith in action...denying people personal liberty, forcing them to tow the party line.


    The Michigan right-to-work battle, explained
     
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    In a non-right-to-work state, you can work in a closed shop or an open shop. The distinction is that in a closed shop, a union has made a contractual agreement with an employer, where both say you have to be in a union to work in a given shop.

    Why do you hate the rule of law? Should the U.S. and the state governments uphold contracts or not?

    Why do you want the state to get in the way of contracts between employers and employees? Should the governor personally write each contract himself?

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    By the way, it's "toe" the party line, not "tow." Counterintuitive, I know. This has been a public service announcement :)

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    I see....so you'd be fine with a union-free business (like Walmart for instance) contracting with each new employee that they can't be part of a union...is that correct?
     
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    #24 Jersey

    They already kinda do that, don't they? They are notorious for firing any of their employees who get involved with anything union related.
     
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    But you'd be ok with any business contracting with each new employee that they can't join a union while they work for that business?
     
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    This will all be overturned in the very near future.. the pendulum will swing back.

    These right wingers will be voted out and a new governor will be elected...

    So have fun in the meantime..

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    You and your cronies might like working seven days a week and holidays for chum change but there are those of us that don't.
     
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    After years of listening to this i can't for the life of me understand why your average citizen will stick up for those (corporations) that would like to brings things back to the days before unions existed. Back then you worked seven days a week for what ever the corporations felt like paying, no vacation time, no weekends off, no benefits of any kind, kids working in factories at the age of 10 or 11 company stores etc. Its mind boggeling, I'd bet that none of the rt wing posters on here is a multi millionaire and yet they are always for the money men who view them as expendable pieces. Voting against they're own self interests. Dumb really unbelievably dumb.
     
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    Seeing that the Republicans hold a 26-12 super majority in the State Senate (and have controlled it since 1983), control the House, control the Governor's seat, and the next election will be a mid term election, the chances are zero that the Dems would gain control of all three branches which would be necessary to overturn this legislation. :D
     
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    The average citizens owns a 401k and stocks now. They also understand that the economy is worldwide in scope and unions in unprotected industries just can't compete in the long term.

    BTW, welcome to the 21st century.
     
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    Let me guess.....you're a union goon?
     
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    I'm not sure why he, or anyone else in here cares. Unless you all live in Michigan? :lol2:
     
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    I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why a company cannot walk away from a union, once the contract between the two sides has expired.
     
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    You never know sometimes it takes things like this to get people off their butts and movements begin...

    This is also a lame duck measure..

    The House is changing and the divide is much smaller, now it is 59-41 after the democrats picked up 5 seats in the most recent election..
     
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    do they? where?
     
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    Why do you want the Government to dictate contracts between worker organizations and employers?
     
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    Bump


    Beuhler? Anyone?
     
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    You mean why can't an employer fire you for being in a union, once the contract has expired -- as in, retaliate against you for your union membership?

    That would be Freedom of Association, Freedom of Assembly, and Freedom of Speech.

    Why do you hate the United States Constitution?
     
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    By the way, that's what you're asking. A Union, as the name implies, is a group of workers who work together in negotiating with management. So in the scenario that you guys seem to think is "checkmate" in the logic of collective bargaining, you still have those workers on payroll.

    You can bargain with them, or, as some have, you can go elsewhere and get a less skilled workforce. What you can't do is run the same plant and fire your union guys for the sin of being union members.

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