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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    The name "Bernie Sanders" makes my "Conservative Legs" start quivering and the bone in my tongue starts aching then I have to lie down until the spell wears off.

    Bernie Sanders belongs in a cage wearing nothing but one of those little hats that have a propeller on the top.
    GOD WILLING
     
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    Does this include PAC's and unions?
     
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    We don't need an amendment to the Constitution, there is nothing which says a corporation is a person in the constitution and the The Supreme Court simply got it wrong. Isn't this Obama's Supreme Court?

    However, we should also remove limits on campaign donations. There is no reason why I should only be allowed to support my candidate only so much.

    Also, only humans should be able to donate. Just make a law which says a Valid SS number must be used in order to contribute. Not a FEIN or anything else.
     
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    It should, Unions are not people and neither are Pac's, both represent people but are not people themselves, just like Corps.
     
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    Nobody should be able to donate at all

    We should public finance everyone, that way we run on ideas, not on how many ad's you have or billboard signs you have or how bad you can make your opponent look or what party you belong to.

    Money is the root of all evil and it will all be our downfall.....
     
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    I do believe corporations are not people...

    I may support this, but it needs to include unions as well. We afford rights to individual citizens, not groups of citizens.

    I don't like any group being able to contribute whether it be the NAACP or IBM, because corporations could form a citizens group to make their donations. It doesn't have to be directly from a corporation.

    I'm surprised Bernie didn't think of this stuff. :confused:
     
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    I certainly hope so.

    edited to add:

    As to unions: from the FAQ

    Is your amendment just a giveaway to unions?

    No. Labor unions are legally recognized as representatives of workers, who are natural persons with constitutional rights that deserve protections. While the Saving American Democracy Amendment does not prevent unions from using the dues and donations of their workers, it will subject their political activities to laws limiting spending and expenditures, just as it does other private entities and all individuals.

    http://sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Constitutional Amendment FAQs.pdf
     
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    Wow...you surprised me with that one.
     
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    You can promise that I will run for President every year, getting that PHAT free government money to support my campaign which uses my companies services exclusively to help the campaign.

    Money is a show of support, only people who can prove they have support, should run. Using Tax money for elections is THEFT.
     
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    Personally, I wish no one got to donate a damn thing. I'm tired of the person with the most money wins.

    I think the media ought to be required to donate a certain amount of air time to debates and a certain amount of time to each individual candidates - and that time and space should be equal.

    I don't think any commercial airings should be allowed at all. It's all mud-slinging and accusation hurling and most of it's lies, lies and damned lies.

    No more robo-calling, mass hate mailings, etc..

    I'm not sure how you'd limit other media. No ads maybe - but stories are a different thing. Print media can and should print news - and candidates are news - but even if you can't regulate the amount of print press a candidate gets if you can avoid all the paid for promotions and the politically paid for UTubes it would make a dent.

    Gotta think on it more.

    But, bottom line, for me, anyhow, is get the money out of the election process. All the money. Most especially PAC money and corporation money. If people want to donate, limit the amount. And limit it small.
     
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    Corporations are legally recognized as representatives of owners, who are natural persons with constitutional rights that deserve protections.
     
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    What a joke the paragraph on unions representing individuals! This is why his particular bill sucks. Poor Bernie...how can he not see that all groups of people represent individuals? The reality here is that he wants unions to continue supporting him and he'll continue to support them.

    That is exactly what Americans don't need.
     
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    Exactly... This is just attacking the strength of the other side in the guise of fairness, but it's just a petty attack on the other party.
     
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    Since all bills are generally subject to concessions before being passed and made into law, I will hold out hope that Bernie Sanders has already planned on bowing to the expected demand that unions and PACs fall under the same umbrella as corporation and that, in the end, all will be forbidden from making unlimited campaign donations.

    I'm pretty sure that most politicians, Sanders included, have the foresight to leave wiggle room for themselves and for others.

    Most reasonably intelligent people go into negotiations knowing that they're going to have to concede something - a really intelligent person leaves himself something he's willing to give up. He starts out to the far right or left of where he wants to end up and negotiates his way to the place he's already been willing to settle at.
     
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    So we should sign the petition and show support for something which on it's face discriminates, because we have faith that DC will modify it to be fair?

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    Tell Bernie, we don't want "HIS" socialism...
     
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    A group of people is not a person any more than a flock of birds is a bird. The military is a group of people. Planned Parenthood is a group of people. The NFL is a group of people. Congress is a group of people. None is a person.

    I support the bill even though it is not complete. Undoubtedly, the friends of corporations and enemies of unions and PACs are going to ensure this happens. I support the inclusion of Unions and PACS as far as the definition of "person" is concerned, and anyone who excludes them is in indefensible and illogical territory, IMO.

    This is a start. Any bill that proposes the reversal of the USSC decision is a good one. We have to start somewhere. This will either die on the vine or be taken up as a template that should include unions and PACs. If it dies, then someone with some guts should take it up again with "full inclusion". The only solution, given this heinous decision, is to Ammend the Constitution. Lets get this done.
     
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    Right now I'm much more interested in telling corporations that we don't want their dictatorship.
     
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    But Corporations, which represent actual people as well... do not? Your Logic, is illogical.
     

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