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  1. carolinatony

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    There are a lot of good players in middle range 20-50ish. If we pick up a 2nd for Gay we should be able to get a very good player.
    This will also help us in the 1st as we wouldn't have to Reach for a player knowing we have that 2nd round pick.
    It could also be used if BB wanted to move up a few spots in the 1st to grab that player he wanted.
    thoughts
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    Who the hell would give us a 2nd round pick for Gay? What has he accomplished to merit a 2nd rounder? We can't even count him to be on the field the whole season.
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    I guess you missed the whole visiting the jets thing
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    Here is the info regarding Gay if a team signs him.

    If a team signs Gay to an offer sheet, the Patriots would be compensated with a second-round draft choice if they don't match. If New England matched the offer sheet, it would retain Gay and assume that contract.
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    Wow the Jets would be suckers to give us a 2nd rounder for Gay.
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    #24 Jersey

    You can ask it in reverse, though, and ask who near the end of round two The Jest might get who they can confidently help them as much in 2007 - much like our Welker deal.
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    I would be absolutely shocked if the Jets signed Gay to an offer sheet, but would not be so shocked if the two sides worked out a deal involving something a little bit less than a 2nd rounder.

    Personally, I'd be thrilled to get a 3 for him, I think a 4th this year and a conditional pick next would be a solid haul for a guy we've hardly seen in 2 years.
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    Based on what he's done for us, sure. But I'd prefer to keep him than toss him aside for a throwaway pick (which most #4s end up being). Looking at the success rate of 2s, 3s, 4s and seeing that Gay can play at a reasonable level when he's healthy, I wouldn't do it for less than a #2. I would consider a 2008 #2, though, if we couldn't get this year's #2.
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    +obviously bb sees enough in him to give him a 2nd round tender, i say they play hard ball and stick to a 2 especially to a division rival
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    Or we know that he is worth something and offer him a 2nd because if someone is crazy enough to give a 2nd its worth the loss.

    Even if he signed 1.3 million is nothing.
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    A 2nd or 3rd, whatever we can get, the Jets seconds are late round picks. Gay has been a name on the roster and not on the field almost the whole time he has been here. Draft a DB and lock him up on the roster for 4 years.
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    Exactly my thought. Let the Jest sign him to an offer sheet- no negotiation. If we get a 2nd that gives us even more ammo to go up and get Willis with our 2 first rounders and also get a third.

    Then we can package and move up in the second to get a DB that we want. After that it's all gravy.
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    Standard Coach-leaving-successful-team boilerplate. Take anybody you can with you to establish a winning atmosphere, help keep the locker room and practice field professional, and use the knowledge that player already has in the system you want to run.

    Even though Gay would be worth a day two pick to 30 teams in the league, he's worth considerably more to Mangini.
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    Yup, plus his playing for NE his entire career means he should have Brady's tendencies down pretty good.
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    I agree. The Jets would be retarded to pay a 2nd for a guy who's been MIA for 2 years. Welker has been productive and thus warrants a late 2nd. I could see a 3rd for Gay as being middle ground, but a 4th is garbage for a guy that, if healthy, is a young vet that can play. For a team like the Pats, a contender in need of depth players, the 4th is useless in comparrison to a healthy Gay.
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    You read my mind a little. I'd like to use any pick to move up incase we need to.
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    I think that in Gay Mangini sees a young CB that knows his defense, projects well in his defense and except for the injury hiccups, is worth a second for a known commodity.

    I can't see one potential player available at #59 that would bring as much immediate value to his team as Gay would.

    Combine all this with the fact that Miller has been disappointing in the base defense, to say the least and I think signing Gay makes a lot of sense for the Jets.

    If the doctors give Gay a clean bill of health and Gay works out well for Mangini and Tradway, then I would expect them to sign him to an offer sheet and then force BB to ask the exact question in reverse. Is a second rounder worth more than Gay?
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    I'm not sure this makes sense.

    Injuries are part of football. The few players who don't get injured are remarkable.

    Welker was worth a second because of his talent, not because he was healthy. A ton of players were healthy - that doesn't make them worth a second round pick if they don't have second round talent. I understand Monty Beisel was healthy all last year.

    Likewise, saying Kellen Winslow isn't worth a second round pick because he didn't play for two years is asinine.

    The pick level is for what you think the guy can do for you.

    If you think he is healthy, and the injuries he suffered are not career threatening, then whether he was hurt or not last year is less important than his talent.

    You are paying him for NEXT year, not LAST year.

    At this point, I think a second round pick for Gay is not a bad deal, but if we lose Samuel, then I'd rather have Gay than the pick.
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    Getting a 2nd rounder for Gay would be our best offseason move yet,Gay goes on IR when he gets a paper cut...This would be the first stupid deal of many future ones the Jets make.
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    Giving up Gay for a 2nd rounder would essentially be trading Gay for Welker AND moving up a few spots in the draft. How anyone can think this wouldn't be a steal of a move is beyond me.

    If someone is worried about CB depth, we could probably get someone equal to or better than Gay with that pick, who's younger and doesn't have the injury history. That wouldn't be my preference, but with the Samuel situation as it is I can see the argument. I can also see using the 2nd to trade up in the first round.
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    Gay may be placed on IR, but to make it sound as if he places himself there is a but strong.

    As Uncle Heatster and Ochmed have noted, this is a baseline move by Mangini. Just like re-signing Poteat last season, he's trying to get a foundation under a pretty shaky secondary, something he can build on. I'm torn between coveting a second as I look at my draft board shaking out, and looking back to Gay's moment in the sun to close out 2004.

    Signing Blue to an offer sheet puts pressure on BB to not only assess Gay's value to the team, but Asante's value. I'm going to be interested to see if Mangini makes a top dollar offer with no poison pill to create such a burden on the Pats FO.
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    If we get a second-rounder for Gay -- of course this helps.

    There are quite a few prospects ranked after #28 who won't make it to our 3rd-rounder, a few of them I'd love to see us draft. With an extra day one pick, we'd be able to get a solid player.

    Regardless of his injury history, I still feel that Gay is second to none as a cover corner with the Pats. It's much more comforting to know that if Samuel were to leave, that Gay and a promising rookie could man his spot. But for both Gay and Samuel to be gone...this is a scenario I'd rather not see. Although the season by no means would be over...:cool:
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    I agree with this quote 100%. I'd look at who is likely to be available in the 2nd round and I would love if we had a pick there. Then I think about how Gay has been injured for so long that he hasn't been contributing anyway. Than what it comes back to is that 2004 season and the Super Bowl where he basically shut out T.O. The question is, will he ever be that same player?
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    Injuries aside, yes, he's been #3 or #4 off the bench up until getting injured.
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    err .....what did you say?

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