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  1. Oswlek

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    This is a rebuttal thread in response to mg's thread here.

    Alright everyone, 5-time probowler Diick Seyman is on the trading block and available for a 2011 first rounder. I am trying to figure out whether he is worth the investment so I've listed all the pros and cons to the deal. Please help me figure out the right course of action.

    PROS

    * Already fluent with the system and would not only be an immediate starter, he very likely could be the best defensive lineman on the team.

    * Is an asset against both the pass and run, and when in both 3/4 and 4/3 sets. Additionally, he can play in any spot along the defensive line. The definition of an every down player.

    * Coming off his best, and not coincidentally, healthiest season since 2004.

    * Is willing to play hurt.

    * Well respected around the league, both by players and coaches. A guy other teams gameplan for.

    * Is playing for a new contract so you can be sure to get his best effort.

    * My team is loaded on offense and really only has questions on defense. Adding a player of Seyman's caliber would definitely increase my odds of winning this year.

    * The draft pick is not applicable until 2011, which gives me time to make further transactions covering for its loss.

    CONS

    * Has a recent history of elbow and knee injuries, which can be recurring in lineman. While he is willing to play, he isn't quite an elite player when not fully healthy.

    * Is only a one year rental.

    * He plays a position that is the deepest and most balanced on the entire roster. My team already has two other elite players, two competent starters and two promising rookies.

    * While he is relatively cheap for his one season, his arrival would remove more than $3.5mm of the ~$5mm of cap room available. This limits the funds for mid-season and injury signings and all but eliminates the ability to extend current players.

    * He is a negative leader. Quietly preaches a "get mine" message and has rebuffed all attempts by management and ownership to go all-in. This subtle undercurrent running counter to the team philosophy is particularly noteworthy considering I have turned over almost 40% of my roster this year and have 14 first year players on the team and reserve lists. A couple more rookies are on the practice squad as well.

    * Due to the uncertain labor status, my ability to acquire top-end talent may be limited in the upcoming seasons, making high draft picks the unparalleled method of adding elite players to the team. I have a tremendous track record of success with first rounders which removes almost all of the uncertainty of whether the player selected will be any good.

    * Despite the time value, a first rounder is still a first rounder. I will be getting almost assuredly very good player performance from 2012 to 2015 (we'll give a free pass on his rookie season). Considering the larger number of FAs I have leaving after this and next season, a big chip will help me reload and continue my success.

    Are you in favor of trading for Diickie Seyman? As much as his performance would really help as my young defense works through some kinks, I have to admit I am leaning towards no. The long term health of my franchise is more important than swinging for the fence this year and, frankly, I think I have the best roster in the league without Seyman.

    So what say you?
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    Is there a blue dress involved? If yes, I'd stay away from this trade.
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    Its a pretty straight forward debate.

    Long term, the trade makes a lot of sense.

    Shot term, the trade does not make sense.

    Its just about the balance between the two. If we win the Super Bowl this season, unloading Seymour will be a coup. If we come up a play or two short as we have twice this decade, I'm sure some will point to the trade, self-included.
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    Offer a fifth........of gin, years supply of Viagra, a black velvet jumpsuit, and a six pack of RONCO's Hair in a Can. Now Cue the effing Duck Boats
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    Is Diickie Seyman related to Flo Hyman?
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    Depends, if I was REALLY worried that without him, we didn't have the personnel to go very far as our goals dictate. I might might hesitate, really dwell on it and possibly pull the trigger. Likely though, I wouldn't as the price is REALLY steep.

    However, If I had the benefit of working with the guys I had along the D front and felt comfortable that they had in them the capacity to pull off the things that I, as the coach, wanted them to............ I would RUN, not walk, as fast as I could away from Diicky.
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    With or without Seymour, their defense has problems. In fact, they were mediocre against the run last year and were beat out by teams that had no-names on their D-line. Having an all-1st round pick D-line isn't worth it if you can't get players around them to do their job such as rushing the QB and covering WR's. I really don't think his presence will be missed. And potentially getting a 1st round pick in the top ten is just a bonus.
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    My personal philosophy is to never trust a two-eyed Diick.:D
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    Comparing this defense to last year is retarded. REALLY retarded.

    Yeah, there are valid questions you can bring up, but let's be real, I think we can all agree we made 1-2 changes in the offseason. I'd be willing to bet we made them to address some of the shortcomings we had last year.

    Don't quote me on that though.
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    They were related by marriage at one point, but I'm not sure anymore.
  11. Oswlek

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    Of course he will be missed. Hell, NE misses Mike Wright when he isn't available and he isn't half the player Seymour is.

    That said, this defense is going to be much better than people expect. Much better. Most of the really ugly defensive plays this ps have involved guys who aren't on the team anymore or guys purposefully put into uncomfortable positions. In spite of all this, NE's DL won the trenches in both game 2 and 3 by a healthy margin.
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    One Player.......CB-Nnamdi Asomugha.......from....drum roll....
    The Oakland Raiders!!!.....Big,Big,salary and signing bonus,but he would be our shutdown corner.
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    I seem to remember Cassel and Moss making Mommy Ass-o-moi look like an average corner last year.

    If our pass rush is good, we've got the corners to disrupt pass plays already on the roster.

    I'd like to see another OLB, maybe a faster guy that we can trust in coverage.

    Maybe we could trade for Mike Vrabel... j/k
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    #50 Jersey

    If there was one player I'd want to add to this team, it would be:

    Offense:

    Chris Snee - G (lesser name) or Steve Hutchinson (wishful thinking name)

    Basically a guard who can take over for Neal.. Which Simmons might be able to do.

    Defense:
    Aaron Kampman - DE (wishful thinking name)
    Mark Anderson - DE (Chicago)

    I really wish the Pats had gone after Anderson.. Kid is just dying with the defensive rotation they put in .. or lack of one I should say.
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    .....sorry,but mommy-ass-o moi(what are you a teenager?)....is easily the highest rated cornerback in football.Your evaluation based on one game against Cassell is ludicrous.
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