as this forum is, then it is no wonder that there can be no consensus building or unified plan on any subject. It seems that most of the Republicans on this board are hard right, mostly activist Christian, and the Democrats are hard left, mostly activist Socialist or Environmentalist. And all topics are driven from these extremist attitudes with no room for rational discussion, moderation or thoughts of constructive resolution. And that is sad. For almost every thread is reduced to name calling and bashing. I haven't been posting much here lately, and will post even less in the future. I will drift back from time to time to see if constructive debate and foreward thinking has crept into the discussion, but until it does, I dont think I want to play much any more. I know I have tried on more than one occasion to stimulate such discussions to no avail. TTFN.