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Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by shirtsleeve, Apr 8, 2006.

  1. shirtsleeve

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    as this forum is, then it is no wonder that there can be no consensus building or unified plan on any subject. It seems that most of the Republicans on this board are hard right, mostly activist Christian, and the Democrats are hard left, mostly activist Socialist or Environmentalist. And all topics are driven from these extremist attitudes with no room for rational discussion, moderation or thoughts of constructive resolution. And that is sad. For almost every thread is reduced to name calling and bashing. I haven't been posting much here lately, and will post even less in the future. I will drift back from time to time to see if constructive debate and foreward thinking has crept into the discussion, but until it does, I dont think I want to play much any more.

    I know I have tried on more than one occasion to stimulate such discussions to no avail. TTFN.
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    Actually, shirtsleeve, I think there's a lot of good discussion. To the right of center, you have people like FTW, Pissah, Wistah, elorocks, and BlueTalon who generally communicate intelligently without too much nastiness. To the left of center, you have people like me (I think), AAB, Scout, GJAJ15, and Pujo who do the same. And I'm sure I'm leaving a few people out, such as bmf31c, PFIM, Seymour93, and others who post sporadically.

    You do have some ordinary familial dysfunction, such as between NEM and bmf31c or Turd, and those threads are best to stay away from unless you enjoy that s!it (which a lot of us do). Harry_Boy tries hard to antagonize the liberals in the way NEM does the conservatives, but either he's not as good as NEM or it's really true that liberals are more tolerant. Mikey, too, does a good job antagonizing the conservatives, but is very clever in that he simply posts a fact, such as "9 soldiers killed today." That's enough for some to take personally.

    But, through it all, there are a lot of interesting arguments, but you have to enjoy debate, and by and large people here are arguing for their values more than arguing for or against a particular issue.
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    I don't get as nasty as Nem that's why Nem is better at it than me, if I really let loose you'd ban me, (Liberals can dish it out but they can't take it)
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    Don't sell yourself short, Harry. You're pretty nasty. Reducing our beliefs to some sort of looniness or psychopathic hatred of Bush or childish sore losing is pretty hurtful in its own way. Maybe you do it with a little more humor, but I think NEM speaks with a little less venom, so it kind of balances out.
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    #15 Jersey

    You don't know what the Hlell your talking about! (just kidding)
    I think there have been attempts to find some middle ground, but what usually happens is someone (from either side) posts one of those name calling threads which results in the domino effect. If you look back, there are some threads with decent debates. There are radicals in the membership, some of whom can not or will not respond with a responsible reply. Do we give these people the scarlet letter? Then there are threads pertaining to the Iraq War. I do not believe a thread under this topic will ever end up civil, maybe rightfully so. Threads dealing with finance, environment, or even an outright injustice (which everyone agrees, see son of Sen.) sadly end up unpleasant. Maybe a self-imposed ignore policy would help. I would like to see more people come to this forum, but your post pretty much sums up why that's not going to happen.
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    Nem, less venom :singing: :singing:
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    Vocal minorities. Those who are the most opinionated (and stubborn) are the ones who generally talk the most.

    I think (and I may be wrong on this but it's the impression I get) that so-called "middle America" doesn't feel strongly enough about most issues to speak up.
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    #24 Jersey

    Good thing you said "most", some of us, speaking for myself anyway, are right leaning but also agnostic. Of course, I'm anti abortion even in cases of rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother and am also for the elimination of social security so I guess I'm "hard right" in some ways :)
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    That's why they're middle, because they don't feel strongly about most issues, but what seems to be happening is that the Iraq war, gas prices, and dishonesty are slowly stirring middle America.
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    #24 Jersey

    Interesting that you throw gas prices in there. What exactly do you think a Democrat would do amid vastly increasing demand worldwide ? I know, greedy big oil - well I heard a couple of weeks ago that oil companies are making about 9 cents per gallon whereas the gas tax is about 40 cents per gallon.
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    But that's what Average Joe America doesn't understand. . .they just want to know the bottom line of how everything affects them. Which is why the media is has so much power.
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    #24 Jersey

    When I hear solutions then I will agree. Until then, it's sophomoric to say it happened with Bush as President so it's his fault. The demand for oil is exploding as I type this. Supply and demand, that's what drives prices.
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    I lean right but am not religious at all.
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    #24 Jersey

    Oil companies make about 9 cents per gallon. I guess they could try fighting OPEC more on the price per barrel but that's largely dependent on supply and demand. You could make oil companies non profit and only save 9 cents per gallon. Those mean, nasty oil companies.
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    I get the feeling that if you are 'leaning' right, that you are a limbo champion... :D
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    Then why are they posting 9-10 BILLION dollar profits per QUARTER post-Katrina?


    Poor oil companies indeed.
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    I think you're right about the nastiness (hence why I post much less than I used to, not to mention that I didn't feel that I had anything useful to say anymore) but wrong about the politics. Nobody here is Socialist in the real meaning of the word, which is best defined as, "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need". That would require much more re-distribution of the wealth than most here would countenance. I'm a liberal but I accept that Capitalism is the best way to advance society economically. Competition is good (think of the advances that have happened in, say, IT because IBM, Apple, Pentium and so on compete) but exploitation of the weak is not (I'm thinking of Enron).
    Equally, I think that you are wrong about the Far Right. Most people on here are economically "free market" but socially liberal. The majority on here (but not the totality, I suspect) are anti-racist, pro- free speech, pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-charity, anti-exploitation of the poor and so on. Actually, I think you would find out that we would mostly get on if we all went out for a beer.
    Is America polarised? Yeah, but it's no different to any other society in the world. The board is merely a reflection of that.

    I think we're all agreed on one thing, though. BB, Scott, PLEASE DON'T USE A FIRST ROUNDER ON ANOTHER TIGHT END! :D
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    #24 Jersey

    We use more and more oil every day. The point is, it's almost irrelevant to the price of a gallon of gas. The gas tax is four times the profit, per gallon.
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    #24 Jersey

    As I have said 16,000 times - I don't like Bush and didn't vote for him in 2004. But I don't blame him for gas prices. His stupid prescription drug giveaway will cost me a lot more.
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    #24 Jersey

    Well, drug companies aren't making record profits. I know that because I follow them due to my mutual fund of them. Drug companies aren't like oil. You can't just buy them from Canada or restrict their income - it's that income which is the cash flow for research into new drugs. If you want to stagnate technology in this area then, by all means, restrict their profits, import drugs from Canada which is just a way of getting socialized medicine prices into a non socialized country. I can't speak with great knowledge about the inner workings of OPEC but I can say without a doubt that your concept of drug companies is way off.

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