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  1. English Patriot

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    What happens when we get to our very own Darren McFadden/Michael Bush situation?

    Do we try keep both wanting good money or let one go?
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    I guess we will find out in about 2 years.
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    10 days off between games is a long time.

    Why worry about that now? The FO will deal with that situation, if it comes, like they've dealt with others. They've shown a willingness to work with valued players who are willing to work with them, and a willingness to move on from those whose perception of their value exceeds the team's.
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    Let's see if Vereen can stay out of the tub. I like the guy but he's only had one dynamic play in his career.
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    Lots of variables. For example, both Bolden and Demps are under the Pats' control for three more seasons, so if either of them turns into a big-time player, then it would probably make the Pats more willing to let Ridley or Vereen go, respectively.

    Alternately, if they get the indication that Brady is close to retiring, then they're probably more likely to keep Ridley and less likely to keep Vereen, since a new QB probably won't spend nearly as much time passing from the shotgun.
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    You're right. If 3 of our 4 young RBs -- two of whom were UDFAs, a third of whom has had early-career injury issues, and the last of whom was benched in the previous post-season -- turn into major stars, all 3 probably won't remain on the Pats' roster long-term.
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    Ridley, Vereen, Bolden, Woodhead, Demps I wouldn't trade those for any team's RB corps
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    I'd trade them all for Doug Martin.
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    OMG! Did it leave a scar?
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    Hey, don't get me wrong, Ridley's good but the rest are replaceable. Doug Martin on the other hand is having a rookie season only surpassed by Edgerrin James and Eric Dickerson.

    He's the real deal.
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    You didn't answer my question. Did it leave a scar? Because obviously you were kicked in the head by a mule. No sane person would ever spout such gibberish.
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    This is the type of situation that tends to resolve itself over time. Best case scenario, the Pats have the luxury of letting a good RB walk because they don't really need him.
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    So if Greg Schiano called tomorrow you don't think BB should accept the trade. That's fair enough I suppose, a little moronic but hey ho!

    You see if it was me, I'd take the trade, draft Tavon Austin in the first next April (who can replace all Demps', Vereen's and even Woodhead's snaps and still add a couple of UDFA's.

    You think our offense is good now.


    BTW, thinking that trade is bad is like a Bengals fan saying they wouldn't trade Dalton for Luck. But if that's your approach then perhaps you need a mule to kick some sense in to you.
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    I'd trade them for Adrian Peterson and a can of Coke
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    I certainly wouldn't trade all our backs for Martin.
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    If this is how you think then you are rooting for the wrong team, because this team happens to believe that depth is extremely important. Doug Martin has 4.8 ypc, Ridley has 4.6. Do you really think that extra .2 ypc is worth trading all of the depth that Bolden, Vereen, Woodhead, and Demps provide? What if he gets hurt? Heck, what if he needs a breather?

    Also, yeah Martin has more big play ability than Ridley, but we don't need tons of big plays out of the running game. We need consistency, we need to keep the defense honest, and we need to keep the offense on schedule with regards to down and distance. If the running game does those things, Brady is more than capable of points on the board. So no, I honestly don't think that Martin would help the offense all that much anyway.
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    Fair enough.
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    I'm guessing that Belichick and the Pats have made the calculation that running backs are too short-lived and too easily replaceable to pay top-dollar cap money. I infer that mostly from the fact that Belichick appears to be 100% committed to running back by committee so that he's always got a couple ready to go when one gets dinged. And, his willingness to let a proven back like Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis walk rather than get into a bidding war.
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    Your idea is an interesting one, although I think it's too soon for me to say that I'd make such a deal for Martin since I haven't seen enough of him in detail, and Adrian Peterson would certainly be a candidate to fit the "trade them all" sort of notion, as well. Of course, after making those sorts of trades, you'd have to look for more backups, but so what?
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    Bolden and Woodhead were both UDFA's so not that hard. Trade one of our 7ths and get BJGE back if necessary. It wouldn't be hard to replace Bolden and Woodhead's reps if your first two are Martin/Austin. They'd get most of the reps anyway.

    All this is is a flippant remark turned into a hypothetical. The ignorant responses by a couple of posters has been illuminating.
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    There is a very good reason for the pats not entering a bidding war with Green-Ellis. He wasn't anywhere near worth the money he received. Ridley showed much more talent last than Green-Ellis has ever shown.
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    Green-Ellis is performing better than a lot of higher priced RB's this season. It's all relative when context is applied.

    For the record, I was a fan of the Law Firm but I was also mindful of his limitations. As it goes, it seems to have worked out well for both the Bengals and the Patriots at this point in time.

    Oh, and I'd trade everyone of our backs for Adrian Peterson. That man is a pleasure to watch.
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    So who are we getting in the off season?
    Peterson or Martin.

    sure will miss Ridley. But thats football for you.
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    I was one of the earliest Doug Martin fans on this board, and wanted the Pats to take him. Thought he was the real deal, and thought he would be a perfect fit for our offense - and I still think that. I also have been vocal on the draft board about believing that Tavon Austin would be a perfect fit as a multi-purpose Percy Harvin kind of threat in our offense. So I have no problem imagining a scenario such as Manx proposes being extremely explosive and productive.

    But depth counts, too, and we have a very good RBBC group and an offense with too many weapons to stop. Edelman and Vereen are just scratching the surface of their ability, and while neither may be Martin and Austin, it's about finding players (at reasonable cost) who play within the scheme and the team. BB values experience, production, and the proven ability to work within the system, and I doubt he'd tinker with things.
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    I agree with you in regards to Tavon Austin mayo, especially your Percy Harvin role comparison. The kid looks like dynamite in a bottle.
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    If Ridley continues on this pace and has back to back to back 1400 yard, 10 TD seasons it'll be interesting to see how hard the Patriots push to keep him around. I remember there being a thread a while back saying that we don't put $$ into the RB position like what teams pay for Forte, Foster, etc. but some of us pointed out that if it were a RB producing good #'s within our offense BB just may dish out the $6-8M or so per year that it may cost to keep that guy around. Especially someone young as Ridley. In that scenario I definitely see us offering him around $7M per to stay a few more years.
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    As for Vereen we saw last week just how much of a weapon he could be for us. There's not another guy on the offense who can make a defense pay that hard for a small mistake like Bart Scott made on that play. As good as Woodhead is, Vereen can be a major upgrade but I wouldn't rule out both being here for the longterm. It will depend on Vereen's production but if he can make those plays somewhat consistently over the next 3 seasons it's going to be very hard to keep both him and Ridley, despite him not having #1 RB production. Remember the deal Michael Turner got, I'd imagine Vereen will at least produce and impress like Turner did in SD.
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    I'd probably take Dalton over Luck at this point. Daltons a great fit in Cincy and in his 2nd season, isnt struggling at all. Cincy is easily the most underrated team in the league.
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