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If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice?

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    I wonder if Randy Moss was signed in 2001 to the Patriots and he played with enthusiasm and team orientation like he is now,would he have seriously challenged Jerry Rice for the best WR ever?

    Another thing to ponder is would Brady To Moss have been a more lethal combo than Montana To Rice?

    I think its a distinct possibility it would be very close for comparison.

    One other thing I think about is if he was teamed up with Deion Branch for the seasons of 2005 and 2006 would we have won another SB Championship or 2?

    Your thoughts?
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    I bet if we had him for 1 play last year we would have won the super bowl. That 3rd down pass play where Troy ran the wrong route with about 4:00 left in the game.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    Yeah, people forget that Moss' first 6 years are the best in nfl history for a WR..better than Rice..better than anybody. What hurt him were obviously the two Oakland years..but also severely injuring his hamstring in 2004, his last year with the Vikings. He never really recovered from that in Oakland and only now in NE is at least looking 80-90% healthy.

    But you're right, the talk recently has been "what would Brady's niumbers look like with weapons", we should also be asking what Randy's numbers would look like with a legtimate all pro QB throwing to him, not mediocre QBs or QBs he turned into all pros.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    I've always thought Moss at his peak was the best WR to ever step on an NFL field. I believe at this point his per game stats are still better than Rice's. There's no way he'll play as long as Rice did though.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    Brady and Moss both have about 5 years left.

    Moss can still become the all time greatest receiver ever.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    You do know he would need about 100 TDs, 9,000 yards, and 700 catches to catch Rice right even if he played all 5 years at the level he's playing now he wouldn't catch Rice.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice


    Yeah..those two years in Oakland made it a big reach. The thing about Rice is that he was a great player but he also hung around a little and had ridiculous longetivity, thats why its impossible.

    I think Moss catching Rice in Yards is impossible, but imo the TDs are kinda within reach..I think Rice is at 197 and Moss is at 108. So thats 89 TDs, and that number will probably be 80 or less by the end of this season Definetely doable, but still hard.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    if jerry rice played his entire career in arizona would he be on top.
    of course not.

    brady to moss is as lethal as anything i've ever watched.

    here's to hoping we get 4 years of it. cheers
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    OK, looking at Rice and Moss career stats, Moss would need 10 seasons of averaging about 80 balls for 1000 yards and 8 scores per year.

    But, that's not counting what damage moss will do in the remaining 10 games of this season.

    Jerry Rice may be the best athlete of all time in any sport.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice


    Jerry Rice the best athlete of all-time in any sport? I'm sorry but I find that to be ridiculous.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    He may have a lot more records but the only problem is
    HE WOULD BE BLIND

    from staring at all those SB trophies!
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    Moss is the best receiver ever, but Rice had Montana and Young. Moss had Cunningham for parts of two seasons and then a bunch of qbs who should have been backups. He made pretty much everybody who stepped in at qb look like a Pro Bowler though, Culpepper, Bouman (for a few games), Frerotte, and an aging Jeff George. It's nice that he finally has a qb who is close to Montana and Young's level if not at or above it.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    I like Moss just as much as the next guy but this Rice thing is just wrong. Rice played what amounts to about 3 or 4 seasons in his prime with QBs such as Elvis Grbac, Steve Bono, Brian Brohm, Jeff Garcia, and Rich Gannon and I maybe missing a few and he missed an entire season from injury.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    Moss is the best receiver ever now? :rolleyes:

    You are DELUSIONAL.

    Randy Moss can't touch this...

    Jerry Rice:

    Receptions 1,549
    Receiving Yards 22,895
    Total Touchdowns 209

    In 1999, Jerry Rice was ranked number 2 on The Sporting News list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. Only Jim Brown was ranked ahead of him.

    Statistical dominance

    The numbers that Jerry Rice compiled in his career are, in some categories, far and away from those of the runner-up. This is especially true for career records.

    Record Jerry Rice 2nd Place
    Receptions, Career 1,549 1,101 (Cris Carter)
    Seasons w/ 50+ Receptions 17 13 (Andre Reed)
    Yards Gained, Career 23,546 21,579 (Emmitt Smith)
    Touchdown Receptions, Career 197 130 (Cris Carter)
    Touchdowns, Career 207 175 (Emmitt Smith)
    Receiving Touchdowns, Season 22* 18 (Mark Clayton, Sterling Sharpe)
    Receiving Yards, Career 22,895 14,934 (Tim Brown)
    Receiving Yards, Season 1,848 1,781 (Isaac Bruce)
    Seasons w/ 1000+ Yards Receiving 14 9 (Tim Brown)
    Games w/ 100+ Yards Receiving 76 53 (Marvin Harrison)
    Consecutive Games w/ Receptions 274 184 (Marvin Harrison)
    Consecutive Games w/ Receiving Touchdown 13 11 (Elroy Hirsch)
    Games (Wide Receiver), Career 303

    NFL records

    Rice held the following NFL records at the time of his retirement:

    Regular season

    * Receptions (1,549)
    * Receiving yards (22,895)
    * Touchdown receptions (197)
    * All-purpose yards (23,540)
    * Touchdowns (207)
    * Receiving yards gained in a single season (1,848)
    * Touchdown receptions in a single season (22) --done in only 12 games.
    * Seasons with at least 50 receptions (17)
    * Seasons with at least 1,000 receiving yards (14)
    * Games with at least 100 receiving yards (76)
    * Consecutive games with at least one reception (274)
    * Consecutive games with at least one touchdown reception (13)


    # Pro Bowl - 13 times
    # 1985 UPI NFC ROY
    # 1987 Bert Bell Award
    # 1987 AP OFF POY
    # 1988 UPI NFC OFF POY
    # 1988 PFWA MVP
    # Super Bowl XXIII MVP
    # 1993 AP OFF POY
    # 1996 Pro Bowl MVP
    # 1980s NFL All-Decade
    # 1990s NFL All-Decade
    # NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice


    Jeff Garica was one of the better QBs in the NFC. Rich Gannon won an MVP. And Brian Brohm? He's still in college...
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    And if you're going to say numbers don't lie...isn't Moss the all-time leader in yards per game and TDs per game?
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    That's the point Culpepper was one of the best in the NFL with Moss and as soon as he left he became average. Gannon won the MVP once Rice got to Oakland and was a journeyman QB beforehand, I'll give you Garcia as he's still a competent QB and I meant Brian's brother Jeff. Also Matt Hasselback when he was in Seattle and for anyone who says he was washed up by this point he put up 9 catches and 200 yds with 2 Tds in his fourth to last game on MNF.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    I dont think you can say Randy Moss is better than Rice, not now and probably not when he retires. Rce is career numbers are really, really impresive..partly because he was a compiler that hung around, but thats another discussion, lol.

    What Moss could have an argument for is that, in his prime, he was probably the best game changing receiver in nfl history. All things being equal, I may take the '98-'03 Moss over Jerry Rice.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    Yeah if you include all the years when Rice was past his prime. Moss is in his 10th season. Through his first 10 seasons Rice had more yards per game and more touchdowns per game.
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    Re: If Randy Moss had been a Pat since 2001 would he have been better than Jerry Rice

    He is BETTER than Jerry Rice, or anyone else to play the position, at least in talent.

    IMO, The question would be 'would Randy have worked harder to make up for the difference in work ethic between him and Jerry Rice?'

    The answer is hard to say, because part of Moss's improvement has also been personal growth. Remember, this is the same guy that drove into a female traffic cop.

    I think the pain of Oakland was a serious eye-opener to Moss, and I don't know for sure if he would have been kosher with Belichick from day one. Would he have drunk the kool-aid from the start? Hard to say.

    If he re-signs with the Pats and stays healthy, Belichick will use him for all he is worth anyway, so the stats will keep coming.
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