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"If" Obama Loses, it Will Have Nothing to Do with RACISM

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  1. PatriotsReign

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    And that's a fact...end of story. At least in my opinion!:D

    But I'm sure we'd hear some people try to connnect the dots and say it's true. But we can't have an African-American elected as POTUS who was NOT elected due to racism, lose an election due to racism.

    In my opinion, "if" Obama were not re-elected, it would just reflect Americans' frustration with our economy and the dark cloud that has been hanging over us all for the past 4+ years.

    NOT racism.
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    I think if there are attempts to disenfranchise poor voters by creating obstacles to voting (fewer voting stations in poor areas) voter ID requirements that compel poor people to purchase old records and go to distant offices, redistricting solutions that gerrymandering based on race, etc.), it will hurt minorities more than majorities. That said, there's a good chance that with or without such obstacles, Obama could still lose as a protest against the slow growth of the economy.
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    Like the one they had to attend at a football practice last night in Foxboro?

    Oh the humanity! Do you realize how many people couldn't participate in watching the Pats practice because they asked for ID last nite?.WAAAAAHHH!!

    But you don't need ID to vote for lawmakers that will make decisions on everyones life?
    Be real will ya for crissake.
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    i think most republicans are indeed racist, but that won't have anything to do with losing or winning an election from the standpoint of individual voters, even in terms of voter fraud, it's not racism because gwb used voter fraud as well, when running against a white dem

    it's just about dem vs repub and the fact the US will never have a true unity

    fanboys....fanboys everywhere!
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    You make some good points but I don't think most republicans are racists.
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    An Oxymoron.. no comment.

    A fact can be proven, an opinion is what you think they are diametrically opposed.

    Guess you missed the 40+ books that have written which have denigrated Obama.. there is a new one just about every week.
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    I'm not a big supporter of voter ID's, but I also don't think anyone should just be able to walk into a voting station and say a name & address and walk into to cast their vote.

    There has to be some kind of accountability. Everyone should have at least one type of valid ID.
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    Guess you really don't possess a sense of humor Darryl...the oxymoron was purposeful....thus the :D

    How many books were published that denigrated GWB? Or do you only keep track of the ones on the guy you & voted for (Obama)?
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    I think most would agree with you. I posted before how I used a rental agreement for ID once. I've also known people to use a utility bill. In Iraq, they stained the voter's finger with ink to show they already voted.

    Requiring a government-issued ID is unreasonable, IMO. The same people who say the government intrudes too much into our lives are the same ones calling for those GI ID's. Not consistent.
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    Race will play an important part in this election. Not with me or you, but with others, it will. It may even make the difference in the margin of victory one way or another. It both saddens and infuriates me that I make this statement in America, 2012 A.D.
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    Racism will probably keep him in The White House.
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    Exactly. You can't be elected by white people, and then not be reelected because those very white people have suddenly become racist. If he loses, it will be because of the economy, and the voters disapproval overall.

    Why is it unreasonable? It's an election. It is government. This isn't the local Moose Club's election of it's board, or a choice for employee of the month. I think its beyond reasonable to require ID. Especially when the government will issue you an ID for free. You can't rent a movie without an ID. Plus, who doesn't have one in todays day and age?

    What role do you think race played in 2008? Did it help, or hurt Obama? Race will play far less of a role in this election, than it did in 2008, where it actually helped the incumbent. I find it amazing that just 4 years ago people were so encouraged, and excited about our people having elected a black president. Now we're going to hear all over again how racist most of us are. I'm not saying you will say that btw. I'm just saying it's going to be a staple in this election. People will make race an issue, and it won't be the people who dislike the president who do so. It will be those who support him who will. Hopefully people will criticize those who do so, in the same way, and with the same vigor, that they would criticize someone using race to attack Obama. That won't happen though.
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    Aren't you the guy who said that one of the reasons he voted for Obama in 2008 was because he was black?
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    The "Race Card" will be played very heavely during the last part Of Sept and all through Oct, the left wing media will be accusing anybody and everybody who dares to criticize Obama on anything of Racism.

    Racism is the left wing media's Ace In The Hole especially NBC.

    Example:
    Joe "why didn't Obama close Gitmo"
    Jim "you racist bastard"
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    Once again you do not understand the difference between opinion and fact..

    This thread was about Obama and some obvious racist tendencies.. not George W...
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    “Who cares?” Wys wrote in response. “Take her to Burger King, buy her a sundae with double banana, take her to your homeland, Kenya!”

    Other recent tweets from the woman who's the main adviser to House of Representatives President Jenniffer Gonzalez

    I fight Obama with all the strength in my heart and passion as a descendant of germans!!” she wrote on July 30.

    On June 18, she sent another tweet to Obama in response to a general invitation to have dinner with the President.

    “Wah! Wah! I feel like vomiting! Dinner with a guy borned in Kenya and claims he was borned in Hawaii!” she wrote, with some misspellings.

    Puerto Rico political adviser under fire for Obama tweet deemed ‘racist’ - The Washington Post
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    Are the Patriots racist because they asked for ID at last nights practice?
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    Yes, I said pretty much those exact same words. What's your point?
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    I KNEW you would avoid answering my question. You're full of crap Darryl...always have been.

    You can't try to insinuate books denigrating the man we both voted for are based in racism and that the 100+ books written that denigrate Bush aren't. But hey, just like you, I never voted for Bush.

    Thank you for attempting to tell me what MY thread is about..... :rolleyes:
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    Just kinda surprised that you'd admit you voted for a man based on his race and then have the chutzpah to say his election had nothing to do with race.

    (and before you start quibbling about race and racism being two different things let me point out that you can't have racism if race is not a factor.)
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    But you TRIED to link race/racism to my vote for Obama...didn't you?

    My vote had nothing to do with RACISM.

    My main point is that "if" Obama loses, I hope to God people aren't stupid or ignorant enough to riot and cry about racism. That would hypocritical on their part.

    After all, 4 short years ago, we all celebrated history making in America. My question to anyone crying racism if Obama loses would be,

    "Under what circumstances would you be ok with Obama losing?"
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    When Obama loses it is a lock that they will wave the bloody shirt of racism.
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    No, I didn't. I'd hoped you'd be smart enough to realize that if you voted based on race - so did others. (Surely you do not think you were the only one, did you?)

    Once you acknowledge that you were not unique and that others also voted for Obama because he was black you must also acknowledge that there were those who didn't vote for him for the same reason.

    I've heard it said in many places, including here in PatsFans, that without the black vote Obama would not have been elected - and that if he needs to worry about retaining the black vote because he will not win again without it.....do you not find "racism" in that? Even if it's a good racism (I will vote for him because he's black like me) it's still racism.

    At the risk of getting my name slapped on the contest board again I have to point out that it's hypcritical on your part to say race/racism played no part in his last election when you admit his race is part of why you voted for him. Maybe you were just trying to prove how un-racist you were, I don't know...I do know that you and about a million other people either voted for him or didn't based on his race - and they'll do it again this time, too. It's stupid and ignorant to think they won't.

    Umm, no, we "all" didn't celebrate. There were many who mourned. There was a whole House and Senate full of Republicans who said, from Day 1, that their only goal was to ensure he would be a one term president. They celebrated nothing. The Tea Party celebrated nothing. Neo Cons celebrated nothing.

    I guess you'll have to wait until he loses and find someone who's crying racism - I'm sure they'll be happy to answer you.
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    If Obama were not a black person he wouldn't have been nominated in 2008 H Clinton would have won.
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    I will take that further and say that if he looked white, but was still half black he would not have won. Yes, I know Certain people on this forum will jump on this and call me raciest even as they refuse to see that him getting elected because of skin color was the real racism.
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    I'd check with PR if I were you. He admits he voted for Obama because he was black but he says that's not racism.

    Maybe one of you can explain how it is and it isn't.
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    And if he wins then your favorite black Tea Party representatives can tell the bloody plantation tale again and moan about how the blacks don't know enought to get off of it.

    There is racism on both sides, 13. I don't think anyone's denying that, are they?

    One side will say that whites won't vote for him simply because he's black - the other side will say that blacks will vote for him simply because he is.

    There are millions of voters - each has their own reason or reasons for voting for whomever they vote for - some of them are racist reasons - that doesn't make it the only reason or even the most common reason....it's just one more reason.
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    I never said I voted for Obama BECAUSE he's black...not even close. I've always voted democrat for POTUS since the day I became eligible to vote.

    Why would I suddenly vote republican just because the democrat was an African American? And lastly, I was excited about being a part of history.

    But now if I vote "for the other party", it has nothing to do with race.

    Obama getting the black vote is the exact same as Romney getting the white vote....right or wrong?

    And if "A" has to do with racism, so must "B"...or is there an "acceptable double-standard"?
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    That is it! That is why Obama won. A lot of people that I have heard speak about the election said that the college vote was so important. If a woman would have gotten the chance to run for President then she would have won for the same reason. People want to look back and say, "I voted for the first black/woman president" If the GOP would have put a woman up for the vote this time she would have beaten Obama no matter how lame she was. And, that is just sad for our country :(
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    PR, the fact that he's black is what made it "part of history."

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