Welcome to PatsFans.com

If Moss signs elsewhere, it will be more his loss

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by BPF, Mar 1, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. BPF

    BPF In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    May 13, 2006
    Messages:
    2,469
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

  2. GPR11788

    GPR11788 Practice Squad Player

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2008
    Messages:
    112
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I think being a Patriot might be Moss's last chance to get a ring. The teams that have a legitimate shot at getting the superbowl are few and far between. The only contending teams that might have an interest in Moss might be the Chargers, and the Bucs. Although the Bucs are not that great of a team. Although demand for Moss will be high, there are only a few teams I can think of that can actually contend for a Superbowl.
     
  3. MrBigglesWorth

    MrBigglesWorth Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,338
    Likes Received:
    16
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -0

    If Moss goes anywhere except NE he will never see the full length of the contract he signs and it will be mean he was full of it. Hopefully a middle ground can be found.
     
  4. bigjunk1

    bigjunk1 Practice Squad Player

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2006
    Messages:
    164
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Yeah but will the Patriots be a better team without his productivity? I don't think so.

    There is a cost/value ratio factor in almost everything the Pats do. Samuel is gone most likely because his cost over his replacement was not at equal value to replacements productivity. With Moss I think this ratio would be to far off to justify not paying him what he is asking for (within reason).

    Of course any equation like this the years must be factored in, and maybe this is what is holding things up. For the next three years I think Moss' productivity will balance out with his salary - but what if he wants 4 or 5 years. The equation changes.

    IMO.
     
  5. SeauOUCH

    SeauOUCH On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2007
    Messages:
    267
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    If it turns out Moss turned down a good contract with NE for somewhat better ( 1 mill or so per year better ) contract with an also ran team I will lose all respect for him & wish him nothing but bad luck & failure for the rest of his career.

    If it turns out the Pats are low balling him though I'll be pissed with BB & wish Randy the best.
     
  6. Disco Volante

    Disco Volante Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2007
    Messages:
    6,232
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +43 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Moss deserves all the money he gets and doesn't owe us anything.

    He came and honored his contract to the fullest.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2008
  7. MrBigglesWorth

    MrBigglesWorth Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,338
    Likes Received:
    16
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -0

    so who will blink first? moss or the pats, that's the question.
     
  8. PromisedLand

    PromisedLand Virtual Internet Person

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,372
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Did I miss something? Who said he owes us anything?

    (And by the same token, we don't owe him anything either.)
     
  9. Xzibit23

    Xzibit23 On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Man..Moss is rep that he needs a controlled environment is soooo overblown. He had 2 "disruptive" years in Oakland and 6-7 great seasons in Minnesota, squirting a water bottle and fake mooning be dammed. Ask any real Vikings fan what they think of him there and whether he should still be on the team. He was a locker room cancer and was loved by all his teammates, this guy isnt TO on his worst day. People act like NE was a revelation and the singular place where he could have revived his career. Was it the best fit?? Probably. The only fit?? Hardly. He could go to a number of teams and go back to being the receiver he was in Minnesota, the 90 Catch, 1500 Yard, 16 TD guy..yeah, he wasnt bad. I think when people look back at his career, they'll come to the conclusion that his 2 years in Oakland were more about Oakland, and less about him.
     
  10. richpats

    richpats Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2005
    Messages:
    3,499
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Would one of those be the Giants? Let's not continue to underestimate the rest of the league. The Pats are a great organization, but they aren't the only team that can win a Super Bowl.
     
  11. Disco Volante

    Disco Volante Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2007
    Messages:
    6,232
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +43 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Everyone who believes he owes us a hometown discount.

    Sorry you missed it.
     
  12. Xzibit23

    Xzibit23 On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    When Moss is called greedy by Pats fans, its implicitly implied that Moss should be more grateful to the Pats in his contract demands.
     
  13. nittanylions52

    nittanylions52 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2008
    Messages:
    228
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Oh really? And would the Giants or Packers have been one of those teams last offseason? The league is more even than you might think.

    Don't fool yourselves. Randy Moss might lose out in the end if he goes elsewhere for more money, but so will the Patriots. We'll just have to see if he "comes to his senses." I personally think he will sign with the Patriots, but it looks like the "we" part of being with the Patriots didn't sink in as much as people thought it did.
     
  14. LiveShot

    LiveShot Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -16

    If Moss signs elsewhere he'll get more $$$$. Depends whether he wants a SB ring or just more money. I believe he'll be a Patriot next year.
     
  15. Disco Volante

    Disco Volante Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2007
    Messages:
    6,232
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +43 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    You know, Moss can still easily get more $$$ and a ring with another team next year.
     
  16. BradyFTW!

    BradyFTW! PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    17,203
    Likes Received:
    254
    Ratings:
    +829 / 12 / -2

    #12 Jersey

    Any team that pays Moss $12M+ per year probably isn't going to the SB next year, Why? Because deep, well-managed teams typically don't pay a WR $12M.
     
  17. Mogamedogz

    Mogamedogz In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2007
    Messages:
    3,097
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +33 / 1 / -2

    #80 Jersey

    People are crazy... there are plenty of teams good enough to win the SB not named the Patriots.

    Jax is one of them.

    If I were Moss I would go for the most $$ REGUARDLESS. Screw a SB. Even when he was at the SB, he sounded like it wasn't really a big deal IMO. He said something along the lines of “it's overrated" on media day and I agree with him. The $$ would be MUCH more important to me. I can’t hate on any player who goes for the cash.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2008
  18. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    Sorry but if Moss is being hoisted it's on his own petard. He said all he wanted was to win and play on a team that was well coached and for a franchise that was well managed and knew how to win. Said money didn't matter, he's made plenty of money. Said he told Bob Kraft he wouldn't break the bank to remain here.

    So I guess maybe he was lyin'. We'll see.

    He needs to be in a stable, veteran, environment where egos get checked at the door. Otherwise, first sign of struggles and he will opt out. There may be several teams with the cash and cap to invest in him, but most of them don't have the stability to maintain him. Here he was a piece of a puzzle. If he wants to be the center of he universe, he's **** out of luck because the guy who is that here doesn't hold them up over paycheck angst. He's literally in it to win, and he's proven that over several years and through two contract extensions.

    Curren is absolutely right. Moss needs the Patriots more than the Patriots need Moss.
     
  19. Sean Pa Patriot

    Sean Pa Patriot Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    8,229
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    I dont think moss owes us a discount.. But I do think we should pay him...
     
  20. PatsFan24

    PatsFan24 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2005
    Messages:
    4,467
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    I might be Randys last shot at a HUGE payday, so maybe he is just trying to get teams to drive the price up
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>