Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by CrazyDave, Dec 14, 2009.
... a lot of people will feel pretty dumb.
......it changes NOTHING!!
Tom Brady has a surgically repaired knee, 2 cracked ribs, a bad finger, a bad shoulder and has never jaked it on a single play.
Why are so many of you Patriot fans trying so hard to defend a lazy and soft player who's had a career long reputation of being a lazy and soft player?? Randy Moss has hall of fame talent yet is on his 3rd team in his NFL career and has never won jack.
He's showing you why that is.
The only 2 people who should feel dumb if this is the case are Moss and Belichick.
Belichick, for knowing that Moss is hurt and is playing some type of stupid injury report game, while Moss is dragged through the mud.
Moss, for allowing that to happen.
Tom Brady is a QB, Randy Moss is a receiver. Somehow, I don't think Vince Wilfork would be playing if he had cracked ribs, because of the demands of his position.
If we're willing to let Wes Welker off the hook for missing two games with a knee injury, I see no problem with letting Moss off the hook for sub-standard play IF it's because of a bad back. He's never been a physical receiver and he's been used differently since he came to Foxborough. Right now, at least he serves a purpose of drawing attention because he can always break loose and burn you on any given play, but if he is hurt to a degree where it makes him shy away of contact, at best it's bad form, but I'm not going to accuse him of not being Brady.
I think I'll let Brady, Faulk and Belichick decide whether or not Randy was a problem. It affects them a hell of a lot more than it affects me.
My back would hurt too if I had to carry the whole offense all season long
I am really getting tired of "oh,he must be injured" crap
EVERY PLAYER in the NFL is banged up by this point in the season,If this is the case then Moss needs to grab his nutsack and get out there and earn his millions - this is not a game for whining pansies who can't play because they are not 100% - --no one is 100% in week 14.
I think Wes Welker has carried this offense all season long...
If that was true, Moss would be nursing a herniated disc and Welker would be crippled by now.
I wouldn't be suprised if Moss was injured. As someone else said, I'll let Belichick deal with it. I think Moss should be made aware that the team has his back and get him firmly on the bandwagon. But I also think BB should let him know that he didn't have a good game and not exclude him from anyone else.
Well, I made this thread because I thought it was kinda crazy how people are so quick to jump on this guy.
He's been pretty good for us to this point, and seemed to be saying and doing all the right things.
I don't know if he's hurt or not, but I know first hand that back injuries are tough.
And I know that he has taken some big hits recently.
Talk of running him out of town etc, is just dumb.
Thanks for the varied responses.
Question....what are these big hits that you speak of?
Seems to me, that he's been hit more than before over the middle.
Can I be specific? Not really. I just remember him getting drilled pretty good several times.
My point again, is that people immediately question his desire. If hurt, he would'nt be the first guy to play when he is not really healthy enough.
He's been involved in more contact this year than in years past, seems to me.
:rofl: No make that a double!! :rofl: :rofl:
Wow!!!!!!! No wonder fans in this region have a reputation for being very knowledgable when it comes to "baseball".
Yes I will say that hes taken more hits this year than any other year because he has had to do more. When Welker was out he had to go over the middle more which he isnt used to doing.
Whether hes hurt, lacking effort something just hasnt been there with Moss the last few weeks. I guess we wont know until the season is over, or possibly never
Regardless of what's wrong with him, be it physically or mentally, it would do him a lot of good to come out pissed off against the Bills, if he can. This is yet another time when a full injury report made available to the media and fans would help ease my mind.
I just hope Moss comes out angry this weekend along with the rest of the team. Two franchises are firmly in the midst of possibly going undefeated and all anyone can talk about is the Patriots and their problems.
Agreed. I also believe that it takes 2 to tango.
My opinion is that Brady is a bit off as well.
More than once yesterday, he looked a bit skiddish to me.
A bit jumpy, a bit uncomfortable etc.
Sub-par pass protedtion recntly, can lead to uncomfortable Brady, which can lead to bad throws, miscommunication/ poor rythm.
I'm not saying that this is what's wrong, just saying that on a football team, there are 11 moving parts. And that Moss's drop in production could be from one or many different things.
Of course Brady is a little off, hes taken more hits and been knocked down more any year in his whole career. Hes playing with a hurt leg, finger and ribs. Hes still playing his heart out there, something #81 cannot say
Mike Holley had an intersesting story on the radio today. It seems as though Brady was screaming at Moss during a practice last month saying Moss wasn't trying hard enough to catch passes that day. Moss called Brady the next day and told him he hurt his feelings. Since that incident Moss has caught 11 passes for 183 yards in 4 games.
But a back injury can be delibilating for some people if thats what Moss has.
Havent you ever hurt your back? I have and it puts me out of commision for a few days at best. Sure, Moss would be getting the best treatment, but depending on the severity time off might be the only way to fully heal, but the Pats need him.
In retrospect I dont think Moss is dogging it now.
He is certainly lacking effort. If he was really that severely hurt he wouldnt be out there for 71 out of 75 plays, or whatever it was. Brady is playing with a number of injuries and he isnt letting it effect is play that much. I am sure Welker and other guys on the team are hurting but they arent showing it.
Moss definitely is lacking effort and is frustrated
I don't understand why we as fans are so quick to jump on the naysayers in the media who are just trying to create a story.
I watch every game and Moss has clearly been working his ass of for 3 years for us, thru record breaking years, thru Bradyless years, and thru a persumed back injury. The guy has had a tough month (one of the worst of his careers) and still is top 5 or 6 in WR categories, still commands a constant double team, and plays %90-%95 of the snaps.
You go out and get doubled for 95% of a game and see if some frustration doesn't show on your face.
Here is story that I noticed from last weeks game that may speak of Moss charector and importance to the team. After the TD pass to Moss Last week when Brady went to locker room after his tough hit Moss came to the sidelines and was looking for Brady with concern. When Brady came back from the Locker room he went rushing over to Moss to let him know he was OK. If Brady thought Moss had been dogging it you think he would run right to him he would probably go right to Welker instead.
So long as Brady considers Moss his favorite target than I will consider Moss to be working hard. When their relationship looks strained then maybe We can start wondering if anything is going wrong until than I will ignore the stories that the Media tries to create because I see no evidence that there is truth to it.
Let's get a few things straight:
1. Randy Moss is a first ballot HOF'er
2. Randy Moss would start opposite Jerry Rice (who also played for 3 teams) on the ALL-TIME NFL Team.
3. Randy Moss caught the would-be game winner in SB 42. The fact that our defense got carved up by Goober Jr. in the most critical moment in no way affects his greatness.
4. He has been arguably the most important part of the two-highest scoring offenses in modern NFL history.
5. He is unbelievably talented, but if you think you can be as great as he is without working hard, I don't know what to tell you. You're just wrong.
Have you been waiting three years for this moment? I'm guessing you wanted him cut two years ago when he didn't play in a couple of preseason games too.
The lazy and soft reputation is a media creation - due in large part to the "I play when I want to play" comment being taken out of context. Some people buy it (the theory Moss is lazy) at face value - just like some fans of other teams buy the line that the only reason the Patriots have won any championships is due to videotaping.
give him an enema and move on
I guess that would make Fred Taylor, Sammie Morris, Sebastian Vollmer, Matt Light and Stephen Neal all huge pansies for missing some games then.
Another freakin keyboard warrior. Finish your Cheetos and shut up.
Why don't you grab some nutsack Bruce?
Really? Look at our third receiver (Or second, Welker's actually a slot, not a 2) . How do you think our pass offense would look without Moss commanding 2 and 3 defenders each play?
*lightbulb goes on*
Let's cut Moss and sign this Galloway guy. Word is he's really fast.
I'm sure we'll be fine with Aiken as our #1. Welker should go from 15 to zero catches most games too.
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