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  1. PowerRunRevival

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    Does anyone think that Carolina would start selling off pieces if they realized before the trading deadline that they aren't going to compete for a few years?

    Do you think Jonathan Stewart (I assume they'd trade him before Williams) is worth a 1st? how about a 2nd?

    Would it even be worth it since the team seems to prefer running plays out of the shotgun?

    Just a passing thought.
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    Or a 'running' thought ;)


    I'll get my coat!
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    Most Carolina fans (Im in SC) see Carolina only being a QB away from being a contender.
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    I don't think Matt Moore is that bad!

    I still think Carolina will be close to 8-8!
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    Why is Carolina being singled out? There are tons of teams you could wonder the same thing about. Trades mid-season almost never happen, especially for young stars. My inside sources tell me the Patriots will bring back Junior Seau at running back.
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    We've got their second I presume.
  7. PowerRunRevival

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    That and the fact that they have two 1000 yard caliber backs floundering in an offense that can't block or throw the ball.
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    Stewart? No chance he gets traded.

    Maybe DeAngelo Williams gets dealt, if they don't plan on paying him big bucks, but he's going to cost a pretty penny in cash and picks...likely more than the team is willing to invest in the position.
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    The return of Patrick Pass perhaps???
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    Jonathan Stewart is my Binky. IMO, he would be the ideal #1 back for this offense. Listened to an interview of Jared Allen (last week)... called Stewart the toughest RB to deal with. As far as Carolina is concerned, too many #1s were devoted to RB...has left them thin across the board. I would give back their #2 today for Stewart. Especially with Faulk gone, Stewart can catch it and pound it. As I said, he is my binky
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    I would say yes to a #2. But, it has to be ours and not thiers.
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    Hey the Raiders suck too, do you think they will trade Calvin Johnson?:rolleyes:
    Patsfans.com is notorious for this lol
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    That's ridiculous.

    if you said Antoine Smith, i think you might be able to build some consensus :D
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    Hey Mr. Sass, Calvin Johnson isn't on the the Raiders now it's my turn to roll my eyes.
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    I threw it out a while ago if we were ever going to do a play for player trade, mankins for stewart would be a good deal by both teams..
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    I'm not really for giving up anything major for a RB, unless it's Mankins and we are unable to score an OLB/DE/CB with him.

    We could have had Chris Johnson at RB last week and with the way our Oline performed, his d*** would've been kicked in too.
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    Wrong team ;)
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    i like what you are saying, however our big problem is the OLine. They do not run block particularly well, so bringing in player X without addressing the OLine run blocking would be a waste IMO. Love Stewart though
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    Thought I would use the Corey Dillon trade as a comparison
    Dillon:
    Traded to Patriots for #56 in the draft.
    Age 29 (October birthday)
    Weight 225
    Previous season: 541 yds
    Salary: $3.3 in 2004, scheduled for $3.85 in 2005
    Health: 2003 injury issues
    Roster status: Emergence of Rudy Johnson affected carries

    Summary: Pats traded the 24th pick of the second round for an aging star with attitude issues that was coming off a weak season marred by injuries.

    Jonathan Stewart:
    Age 23
    Weight 235
    Under contract thru 2012 with salaries in the $1.2-1.3mill range.
    Injury: Achilles issues
    Roster status: Shares carries with Deangelo Williams. Not starting

    Summary: Younger, cheaper, bigger RB but with health question.

    My point here is that the Patriots paid a hefty price for an aging, talented malcontent who was thee missing piece to the SB puzzle.
    Stewart is worth more if you only compare age, salary,contractual lockup, size, ability. The value that BB placed on "the missing puzzle piece" can't be known. One thing to consider, the '03 Pats had an extra #2, just like now. Final final point, I've been told by someone with knowledge of the Pats draft, Ryan Matthews was high on their board but SD's huge jump up in the first blew that plan out of the water.
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    OTOH, Al Davis is incompetent enough that I could actually see him trading a pick away to the wrong team. ;)
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    Carolina doesn't seem like a mismanaged franchise to me. As such, I don't anticipate them trading one of their best players, especially when he's only 23 and still on his rookie contract.
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    If Carolina continues to stink the Patriots can use their high second round draft pick to draft Kevin Faulk's eventual replacement.
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    #12 Jersey

    Or trade it for a 2012 1st rounder.
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    What about D'Angelo Williams?
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    Or a whole team in 2013! ;)
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    I was going to write assmough since we had a ****load of threads here and forgot to change it after I chose Calvin Johnson, my point remains the same;)
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    Personally, I think you can count the number of RBs worth a first-round pick on one hand, so I'd say no. 2nd you could make more of a case for, although I'm not sure why Carolina would trade away a 23 year old player just because they're not in contention this year. Besides, the Pats just traded away a pretty decent running back, so it doesn't seem that they think it's an area of need. I think the Panthers will mostly stand pat until the offseason, since John Fox is in the last year of his contract and they need to figure out who's going to be coaching them next year before they can start going after players to fit his style.
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    Even if you had gotten the player's team right, still not sure you made your point. What's wrong with picking up a good running back from a team which has a solid RB as a starter? Teams do it with QB's all the time. The Patriots have a bevy of draft picks, and instead of (lets say) using the #2 with drafting a back, they send it to Carolina for a back. Seems like the compensation would be the issue, rather then the thought.
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    This was total sarcasm, originally I was going to reference J.R. Redmond, but since Pass came into camp for 36 hours last year I thought his name was more current.
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    The downside is that we'd be trading for a guy who's halfway through his contract. We'd only have him for 2 years at most before we had to extend him for fairly big money, rather than the 5 years that you get if you draft a guy yourself. If you discount for that by dealing a later pick, then sure, but it makes giving up a first-rounder a pretty poor value proposition. Second rounder too, probably, is you're using Corey Dillon as your standard.
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