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If both Moss and Owens retire at the same time who gets into the HOF first?

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  1. T.O. would get in first

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  2. Moss would get in first

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    64.4%
  3. Both players will be enshrined the same year

    23 vote(s)
    22.8%
  4. Neither player at this point is going to get in

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  5. Depends on what they do the remaining years of thier career

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    And are eligible for the hall of fame, who gets in first?

    Since both #81s are now in the AFC East it brings up this poll

    Please decide based on what you see as what the player has accomplished and NOT by the jersey he wears,otherwise its biased towards Moss and unfair so lets be neutral and all about the players career ONLY
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    There will be a backlash against both because of their problems, but TO faces a far bigger challenge getting in the HOF. He has damaged as many teams as he helped. WRs tend to have problems getting in the HOF to begin with (Art Monk, Cris Carter, Michael Irvin), but TO has far too many negatives against him causing huge problems for every team he has been on.

    Besides, Moss has the single season TD record and has about 800 yards and 4 less TDs than Owens eventhough Owens has been in the league for two more years than Moss. That will help him in his quest for a HOF entrance.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Well even if it were on the Raiders team,Moss had the reputation of slacking off at times not to mention the run in with the law a few years ago - Both players are far from angels and both have some dark years in the past - it would be too close too call if you ask me,IMO right now both players would be on the bubble and depends what they do in the following years until retirement to determine of they are deserving or not.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Correct. Moss is a 1st year eligible no-brainer. Owens has pissed off enough people that he will have to wait at least one year. If Monk, Carter and Irvin had to wait then so will Owens.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Moss does have the edge right now because of his stats and record breaking year in 2007 but if T.O. helps the Bills to win a championship that could change the way people view T.O.

    This is an important year for both players if they want to solidify thier place in NFL History,they both arent getting any younger and neither has a ring to show how important of a difference maker they were for thier teams although both guys came close to winning a ring and ironically both falling short by 3 points.

    I do hate Owens but his performance against the Pats in SB 39 was nothing more than incredible as if he was the only guy out there making plays with a bust up ankle and almost pulled it off if McNabb had not decided to get nervous and drop his lunch all over the turf.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Moss has enough black marks in his past that he is no slam dunk first ballot HOFer. Like Irvin, they may make him wait a year. But it is nowhere as bad as all the black marks against TO.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    I think T.O will not get in the hall of fame but Moss might if he keeps playing the way he has been playing for the past couple of years, but if they were to retire right now even though T.O has been playing for longer Moss would be the one known as a far better player and teammate than T.O would ever be.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    At this point, I don't think either get in because of their problems (attitude and otherwise) and the fact that neither of them has a ring. After this year though, Moss is 1st ballot HOFer.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    IMO What a good teammate and fan favorite a player is does not mean that much to the voters who vote the players in - Its what they do on the field overall is what truly counts.

    I think we could look at a few players who were as$holes to the fans and teammates but are enshrined because they were a damn good player and did what it took to win or make a difference weekly.

    If Raiders fans and teammates and Eagles fans and teammates were a deciding factor neither of these guys would EVER get in.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Moss is the second best receiver of all time.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    easy, they both get in at the same time

    They will both retire as at least two of the top seven WRs of all time. They have to get in regardless of attitude.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Career stats:

    Moss

    13 years
    843 catches
    13,201 yds
    15.7 yd/
    135 TDs
    8 seasons w/ 10+ TDs
    9 seasons w/ 1000+ yds

    Owens

    15 years
    951 catches
    14,222 yds
    14.8 yd/
    139 TDs
    8 seasons w/ 10+ TDs
    9 seasons w/ 1000+ yds
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    If they retire at the same time, either Owens hung in WAY too long, or Moss cashed out WAY too early.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    I disagree. Moss has played two less seasons so the averages favor Moss for productivity/ season. Also, Moss holds the single season TD record. Finally, Moss has been a good soldier for the past two years which will be remembered vs the TO franchise killing status he currently owns.....I voted "same year" because the stats are near identical, but I would bet many "real" voters will flex their righteousness and make them both squirm. Then Brady and McNabb will enter the room and straighten out the fat fu**s that vote.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    when moss rings up 20 more td's next season, while owens is struggling to get 6, that should close the book on this poll.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Moss. He'll be the one who wears the bling on his finger. ;)
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    Owens played two more years than Moss and has barely better totals. After this year (Owens in Buffalo, Moss in NE), I expect Moss to more TDs than Owens in spite of playing two fewer years.
     
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    Re: If both Moss and T.O. retire at the same time ....

    I don't like that Moss and TO are lumped together. Moss's issues in the past were largely maturity (in Minnesota- meter maid, mooning, etc.) and frustration in Oakland. I don't think Moss is or ever has been a bad teammate, only a guy who wanted to win so much and was in a poor spot. I think to what Tommy says about Moss and how he really is one or two steps ahead on the field, and then factor how Oakland is about 20 steps behind, and think of him out west like Doogie Howser riding the short bus. The acting out makes sense, and that theory is sustained based on his behavior here. The winning environment was all he needed, further proven when Tommy went down and Cassel had an adjustment period where Moss wasn't the focal point of the offense, yet he still hustled, blocked and led by example. Moss is a "win" guy, not a "my numbers" guy. He reminds me more of Corey Dillon in that regard.

    TO, on the other hand, is me-first, calls out teammates and acts ridiculous even in "good" situations. He was on a Super Bowl caliber team in Philly and blew his situation up for no reason at all. His relationships always end up strained and he alienates his teammates. He was a great player who handicapped his team with his mouth and attitude. Could you imagine TO trying to play in an offense with Wes Welker getting 100+ catches a year? It would be chaos.

    As for the HOF, I think Moss's perception has changed. He'll continue to dominate here for a few more years, clock a ring or two, and be firmly established as a top 2 WR of all-time. TO will get in for sure as well, but may have hampered his ability to be a first-ballot guy with his attitude.
     
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