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  1. patfanken

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    ....Just some comments on some stuff I haven't read or heard much about. Pardon any redundancy.

    1.Matt Light was supposed to be facing a player who usually causes him fits. (James Harrison) The small, quick, low to the grown edge rusher....and he stoned him. How'd they do it. First, because the crowd was so quiet, Light was able to get off on the snap quickly. Second, he worked very hard to bend his knees and maintain leverage on the shorter guy. Third, the Pats reduced the number of times Light got the match up by formation. In other words they directed the formation to force Harrison into pass coverage OR if he came, to throw quickly to open receiver in the vacated flat area. Regardless of how, Harrison was a non-factor all evening.

    BTW- what did you see last night that would make you want to get rid of Matt Light next year....if his contract demands are reasonable (ie top 15 LT money on a 3 year deal). Another thought would be to Franchise him for a year. Yeah, you'd overpay him that year, but you wouldn't have the risk of a long term contract on an older player with diminishing skills. Good for both sides.

    2. When was the last time you heard the name Sebastian Volmer talked about....and that's a good thing. Clearly we have solved any RT issues along the OL. This kid is going to b special as he develops.

    3. Still staying on the OL, Dan Koppen is very quietly having a very good year. He's still a very solid and competent C, but not an impact one. I don't know the players but an impact C could very well be there at the end of the 1st or the top of the 2nd. So while the Dan Koppen era isn't over, the end isn't far off.

    4.While, sadly, the Oakland pick keeps dropping, the Carolina pick is rising fast, and SHOULD be 33-35 at worst. Lots of good players to be found there. So unless something drastic happens the Pats will have THREE picks in the player pool of guys with low first round grades. Maybe not as good as we hoped, but it sure doesn't suck. ;)

    5. I was almost certain that when we drafted next April, the first pick off our board would be the best 3-4 DE candidate available. Now I'm not so sure. Right now the Pats are using so many different DL groupings it hard on TV to keep track of who exactly is in there, But it looks like Deadrick and Brace have passed Gerard Warren, or are at least interchangeable with him. As Deadrick and Brace are seemingly on the upswing, Wilfolk just entering his prime, and Wright, Pryor, and Warren as effective depth. Maybe taking a DE that high might NOT be the best use of that asset. Wouldn't Ty Warren who is likely to come back better since he'll be truly healthy for the first time a few years, be LIKE that impact draft pick, only without the learning curve.

    6. Still picking a RB in that slot (whatever it is) doesn't look like a great idea either. There are just too many examples of effective running backs being had in the lower rounds. BJGE is a perfect example right here, but so are Peyton Hillis, and the kid in TB, Blunt (IIRC), and many many others. We definitely NEED an infusion of young RBs, but is it worth a #1?

    7. Watching the impact of L Jackson, the Eagle WR, you can see what BB was going for when he took a shot at Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson. Exceptional speed can really open up the field for an offense....if it can function within the offensive system of the team the speed is on. Jackson and Johnson clearly couldn't make the transition to a compete WR, but the CONCEPT was a correct one. I wouldn't be surprised to see BB take another shot this year in the first 3 rounds for a WR with "special speed" and hope he develops into a complete WR. You can't coach speed, and its damned hard to defend it. BB knows this.

    8. I cannot do one of these threads without gushing some more about Devin McCourty, He is just now starting to attract some national attention, but the play that confirmed his potential greatness was his tackle in the open field. It wasn't that he dragged the RB down, which would have been super; he stoned him. Dropped him in his tracks....short of the first down. It was just special

    9. Could it be that the change in the defense between Cleveland and Pittsburgh is as simple as the inclusion of Pat Chung. I couldn't help notice the speed comparison between him and Paloumalu. His he capable of being OUR Bob Sanders (hopefully without the injuries)?

    The word I think watching him play is "sudden". For example on that KO where it looked like the returner had a lane and was about to break into the open, Chung comes out of NO WHERE and stops him dead in his tracks. One second it looked very dangerous, and the next the play was over. BANG.

    I can't help but think how our secondary will look when Bodden comes back. I could be that our current "pro bowl" Safety might be the 4th best player on the back line....and lots of more experienced depth for all the various sub D's. A VERY exciting prospect

    10. Rothlessberger might be a horrible person and an un-indicted sex offender, but you have to admire how tough it is to bring that guy down. Guys were getting one hand on him and couldn't even turn his shoulders, let alone bring him down. One play in particular was funny (now that the game is over). TBC bounces off him and has him by the ankle when he throws a completion to a back underneath. The play ends with Rothlessberger still standing. :eek:

    11. I know the defense let up a lot of passing yards especially in garbage time. However I wonder how much of that yardage was made AFTER the original play had broken down, I would think at least 2/3rds off hand. That tells me that the initial coverage was good...and that's a good thing. Its just another sign of improvement.

    12. This week will present different problems. On the plus side Manning, unlike Big Ben likes to throw in rhythm, so having good initial coverage is critical. Its also a lot less likely that we will have many nearly as many sacks. The down side is Manning's ability to read defenses and change the play into one where he will have a matchup advantage.

    BB in his Monday chat on EEI, gave the best explanation I ever heard on why Manning is so successful, and why he's still effective, even with all the injuries to his backs and receivers. I would check it out if you have a chance. Its really both revealing and scary.

    BB tells that Manning has such a sophisticated grasp of both HIS offense and your defense that he can get out of bad plays and into good ones on the LOS. Its one of the advantages of coming into the league and being in the same system for over a decade.

    When asked will he have something new for Manning this week, be said that Manning has pretty much seen every kind of disguise that coaches can think up, and more times than not, he recognizes it and gets his team into the best play possible.

    13. All that means is that next week isn't going to be any easier than last week...or the week before. However it is a game we SHOULD win, and will if we follow the blueprint of all our victories this season. DON'T turn the ball over. Play great special teams. Don't give up big plays. Get TO's. All the things we DIDN'T do in Cleveland, so we shouldn't be shocked at the predictable result.

    We are a good team, but not good enough YET to be able to overcome sloppy play. If we bring our A game, and follow the plan, we will win this game at home.

    14. I know we aren't supposed to look ahead, but I am very worried about the Detroit game.

    15. You will never convince me that Merriweather committed PI on that play. It looked to me that it was the WR who initiated the contact. I know that PFW in Progress guys all think it was PI (except Fred, of course), but I still can't see it.

    I think the outrage on the Gronk call was due to the fact the replay was from behind, so you didn't see him extend his arms, which according to those in attendance, he did.

    OK that's enough....for now. ;)
     
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    Heh, a five star rating before the thread has any views. :bricks:
     
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    Patfranken don't need no stinking five star reviews. I'd read a thread he started no matter how many stars it had.
     
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    PFK,

    another nice post.

    I am one firmly in the Light camp. He is solid and the only guy to really ever protect Brady's blindside.

    Brandon Tate says hi :D

    Chung is the man.

    To me this was an annoying one because I can see what the Refs saw which is that Merriweather runs horizontally on the route and cuts in front it. And IMO this is a clear foul if it happens early in the route but in this instance he cut the route right as the ball arrived and he was clearly looking back at the ball so in this case he should have as much right for space as the offensive player.

    And it sucks that plays like this wind up as 40 yard penalties.
     
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    Re-watched this a few times last night. Merri was deeper than the receiver and was facing the ball and trying to catch the ball. If there were to be a penalty on that play it should be offensive PI. I would not throw a flag - incidental contact players attempting to assert their right to catch a ball.

    Completely agree on light whom I'd mistakenly written off for 2011.
     
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    Keeeen. I was wondering when we were going to hear from you. Worth the wait, as always. Waaaay better than any paper's Sunday notes column.
     
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    I know this has been beaten to death, but pass inteference needs to be addressed by the league. It compromises the game. It's like a free kick in soccer where it gives the potential for a corrupt official to impact the outcome of the game. It defeats every thing the league has done up to this point to make the game appear clean.
     
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    patfenken,

    Could you give your thoughts and opinions with regard to the officiating for the game? I'm interested to get other fans' opinions on this.

    Personally, I think the officials were bad to the point of almost being gamechanging.

    Thanks in advance,
    APF
     
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    Agree on Chung. On the bit about him hopefully not having the Sanders-style injuries, seeing him down on the field for what seemed to be multiple injuries wasn't all that heartwarming though.

    Here's hoping.
     
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    A few thoughts back:
    — I'm pretty sure we'll hear Vollmer's name a lot Sunday. He made his name with his performance last year v the Colts, and the announcers will pick up on that and isolate on him.
    — Still hopeful Raiders pick will be top 15, though they are showing momentum, as opposed to showing signs of fading. I'll take having picks 32 and 33 as a nice consolation prize.
    — DMc has been all we could ask for from what I've seen. Loved seeing him stick Emmanuel Sanders on those kick returns. I do seem to remember someone who had been to the game posted here that McCourty didn't have a strong game.
    — Yes, you can get good RBs mid to late. IIRC, that was some of the Pats' justification for letting Curtis Martin go. I'd still love to see a Corey Dillon dominator type come in. (Wouldn't we all!)
    — I'm not too worried about the Lions. They lost to the Bills and are without Stafford. As long as the Pats stay focused they should take care of business. I wouldn't mind having a relaxing game to watch for TDay but I don't think that kind of game is in the cards this year.
    — Gronk penalty: They had to call that after the fuss over Roddy White Thursday night. I'd bet it's safe to say that came up in the officials' inner circles before Sunday.
     
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    I didn't have the impression that the Refs were biased toward the Steelers, though I thought they made a huge mistake on the Merriweather PI. Sometimes I think its the kind of call the home team gets now an then. I only hope we see one FOR us this Sunday.

    The other questionable calls were the Illegal contact on the GL against McCourty. On the replay it looked like it was Vince who knocked him down, well with the 5 yds. The only way it could have been McCourty is if he had his hands on his back, and we could see that angle. And the PI on Gronk, which seems to have been the right call.

    As to the non-calls on the Steelers holding the Pats, I can't comment, since I haven't seen a replay to look for it. All I remember is the announcers mentioning that on a couple of occasions the Steelers' OL "got away with one."

    Overall, like the Colts, IMHO anytime you play the Steelers, you better factor in a couple of bad calls going against you. Its just the way it seems.

    That being said, there are a lot of fans of other teams who think the Pats get "most favored treatment" as well. So who is to say.
     
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    That's really weird, cuz it had a 5 star rating and and no views. Didn't mean to offend, I was just poking fun. Even if you did rate your own thread, it's ok to pat yourself on the back once in a while. It's ok to pat yourself on the front too.
     
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    That was me.

    The views don't update in real time the way the number of comments do. Next time you see a new thread view it and then go back to the top of the forum; you'll notice the number of views remains at one or none, I forget which.
     
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    That's good, cuz I was begining to think it was the Maid in the kitchen with the candle stick. Thanks for clearing that up. ;)
     
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    Nothing. Having Light, Vollmer and Kaczur around allows Belichick time to get the next gen tackle he is looking for and let him develop. I don't see any tackles in this draft that I would expect to make an immediate impact so having Light return on a short deal would be nice.

    Stefen Wisniewski, Penn St, 6'3", 300
    Can play guard or center. Smart, tough and athletic. Uncle Steve was a monster in the 90's and you know Belichick loves his legacies.

    Which is about the pick the Pats would have to use to get Wisniewski.

    Given the players likely available in this draft, I think the Pats need to exit day 1 with one or two front 7 players that an opposing offense must account for. Wilfork is already there and a handful of others (Mayo, Chung, McCourty) are showing that potential. Add a DE and/or OLB (lots of top candidates should be available) to that mix and the D will be dangerous, flexible and deep.

    Agree. With BJGE and Woodhead likely back, the position should be stable if unspectacular. I would like to see guy with elite speed to take a handful of reps and play ST and there are some interesting guys that can be had later in the draft.

    Liked him as a zone guy before the draft but had no idea he could play M2M to this degree. Add in the top notch run support and it is hard not to be excited about what he brings to this defense. Real shame that he doesn't have Bodden opposite him, but he has held up amazingly well as a #1.

    It really could. Not just because of what he brings to the field but the domino effect he has on the rest of the defense. Other players (particularly the linebackers and Meriweather) become more effective because they can focus on their areas of strength without having to always protect the middle of the field.

    Manning doesn't have the gun to beat coverage but he is uncanny in the accuracy and timing he has in attacking open areas of the field. If the receivers make the same read and are on time, he is nearly impossible to stop. The key to beating Manning is to either a) keep his receivers from getting to the open area on time or b) morphing from man to zone to cover up those open areas.

    For the Pats, this involves dropping the LBs deeper than normal and moving them horizontally through the zones. My worry is Manning using constant checkdowns to kill the Pats with a million paper cuts. If the Pats can keep the RBs from getting cheap yards and stringing together 10+ play drives, I think the Pats defense matches up fairly well against the Colts.

    I would agree with Stafford at QB. Not so much with Hill.

    I've given up with explaining PI and unnecessary roughness penalties. There is no logic or consistency applied to these calls. I am just thankful this game is in Foxboro since it may make the officials think twice about throwing the laundry for a questionable call.
     
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    We focus alot on what we can add through the draft next year. The most important additions are likely to be Leigh Bodden and Ty Warren. It is unlikely that any draftee would help more.

    With regard to the OL, the best choices out there in free agency or the draft may be Light and Mankins. Sure we can add a draft choice or two at these positions, but we have players that we KNOW can do the job.
     
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    Definitely spot on with Bodden and Warren. They represent (mostly) known entities. It's pretty exciting to think of those two coming back to this team ALONG WITH what should be some pretty good draft picks. I think it's only natural to turn that excitement into speculation.

    What's funny to see now are the comments outlining what we DON'T need in the draft. Guess that's a sign of how well this team has done. It's almost like "Well ... we have to pick SOMEONE." :D
     
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