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    ....on a the first nice Saturday in MONTHS! This is going to be shorter than most of my missives because I don't want to miss any time outside.

    So OK, the first (and most significant) push of the FA period is over and its time to try and figure out where the team STILL needs to improve either in front line talent or the all important depth. Here is my take.

    1. The DL is still the strength of the team and I don't see much new happening there. However since we all know how important the DL (especially in the unique way the Pats play it, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Pats take a DLman with one of their first round picks....IF.... a DL prospect that is significantly ranked higher than what they have on the board at a "position of need" falls to them. ie like when Vince fell to them in 2004 @#21.
    Richard Seymore is in his "contract yr) so I expect big things from him

    2. BTW- I don't expect the Pats to sign him, nor do I think he wants to stay any longer in NE. Either way Richard should be highly motivated, not only to make the Pro bowl, but to play like he deserves it. This bodes will for the Pats.

    3. I'd like to see the Pats extend Vince, but I'd like to see it don't in a rather novel way, compared to the way deals are done these days. I'd go to Vince and offer him a 5 year $50MM deal that starts in the year 2010, and has NO signing bonus. Instead it would be 5 yrs at $10MM/yr with $32MM GUARANTEED. In essence the Pats would guarantee the first 3 years of the deal (the years of his potential highest productivity) and then guarantee a million a year of the $10MM salaries in the final 2 years of the contract.

    This method allows that there is no cap consequense THIS year. It pays Vince a fair (IMHO) compensation for being an elite DLman, although at a position (NT) that limits the teams he'd be suitable in FA. It also Guaratees $32MM which is comparable to the Haynesworth contract. Which btw, is really a 4 year $48MM contract with $39MM guaranteed. Haynworth's is worth a bit more, but he's a more impactful player than Vince.
    Just a thought.

    4. I think our OLB would be greatly improved with the addition of Jason Taylor. I think his year in Washington was an abberation rather than a complete dimishment of the skills in one year of a guy who was the DPY in 2007. He'd be a great pick up if he'd be willing to sign a deal that would pay him $3MM/yr with $2MM in incentives. He'd be something as a pass rush specialist coming opposite AThomas and on the same side as Richard Seymore. Plus the fact that he could put his hand down in a 4-3 would be a plus.

    5. I think a lot of people are discounted the fact that both the CBs we drafted in 2008 were hurt last season. Having them back gives us a lot more depth at the position than we had last year.

    6. That being said, the most important position of need IMHO is at S. Behind Sanders and Merriweather, I don't know what we have. In fact my complaint about the DBfield is a matter of SIZE. We are really small, not only at CB, but at S as well.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    Ken - we only have one first round pick.

    I expect Vince to not extend his contract and be Franchised next year. I also expect a NT to be drafted higher than expected as his eventual replacement. I love Vince as much as anyone but I think he's going to want too much money to stay. After two more years we'll have gotten his best years out of him.
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    2 I hope big things from Seymour but dont expect it

    3 I think Big Vince is gonna be a squeeze every penny I can diva and eventually go to a loser team for more money. (Deadskins)

    5 I also am excited about the development of our young dbs who were hurt + Crable
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    Question about Seymour?

    Is there something with his contract that makes it tough to restructure him long term?

    Because IMO he would seem like the easier one to take care of becuase he could provide some cap relief while getting his long term deal. I recall him saying he wanted to play his whole career for one team but he doesn't come off as someone who would give too much of a discount.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    I don't think BB will let Vince go. Good DLs are valued on this team. The Pats will find a way to keep Vince.

    I also think the team needs to sign Jason Taylor, and they should be able to do so around $3M/year. I think Seymour walks next year, so having Taylor around will help.

    Yeah, I think the team will be drafting a defensive lineman this year.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    That’s a suicidal move. If he has a career ending injury in the first or second year the Patriots would be screwed.
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    Yah but it's same with a signing bonus amortized over N years. The guy gets cut because he has a career ending injury and suddenly all the out years' signing bonus dollars (read guarantee) get accelerated to right then.

    I know NOTHING about the cat etc. except that which I casually pick up from Miguel's page and postings but I wonder if some creative moves are planned by the Krafts and other astute people to use the 2010 uncaped year to deal with some of this stuff. Those doing so would need cash. Hope Patriot Place and the massive destruction of personal wealth in this economy haven't put a cramp in Kraft's plans.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    I expect the extension of Wilfork will be done in the next few weeks. I wouldn't be suprised to see a trade for draft picks for Seymour.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    That would be the ideal as far as I am concerned.
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    Yea Seymour is gone
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    Me, I'd be shocked.

    BB trades away a solid anchor to the all-important D-Line for what? Draft picks THIS year? NFW. Not without someone proven solid to assume his role. It's important to push hard for another ring or two with GOAT Brady in his prime.

    I GUARANTEE folks with that unsubstantiated prediction are wrong in 2009.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    For whatever reason, it seems that a lot of people on this board don't rate Seymour highly.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    Putting aside why BB would trade one of the anchors of his De I have heard his cap numbers are prohibative to cut and trade and we would gain little relief which is why I asked my question above about whether his numbers are prohibative to a restructure too?
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    Jarvis Green is Seymours equal
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    You need to actually WATCH the games. Really.

    No slight to Jarvis' fine play intended.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    Seymour is as important as Warren and Wilfork in the defensive line. These 3 compliment each other perfectly and the longer we can keep them together the better.

    I fail to see why posters get scapegoats in their heads, not forgetting Richard had career year for sacks.
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    I'm always somewhat skeptical of metrics in football and would rather use my own 2 eyes, but it is interesting to note that the Pats defense on their right end (offensive left tackle) is 2nd in the league. At other areas of the defense, it ranks anywhere between 15th-24th.

    Basically, that would suggest Seymour is the strength of the defense.

    As for the eyes test, Seymour was very dominant against the run this past year, and it was one of his best pass rushing seasons in quite some time. The "trade Seymour" movement is the deformed cousin of the "trade Brady" movement.
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    How much have you had to drink tonight:D:D:D
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    Seymour is too injury prone and inconsistent to be paid like a top Dlineman. He also drops his play based on his contract situation.

    He's in the last year of his deal so you know he's going to play great, but I would hate to sign him to another expensive multi-year deal.
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    Re: Idle thoughts.....

    you are right Jarvis makes big plays Seymour does not
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