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    Like most here I really didn't know what to expect. The D had looked pretty pathetic in the last 2 exhibition games, while the offense looked pretty good. Plus Cinci was coming into this game with a lot of fire power on both sides of the ball. Well here are my thoughts

    The BAD: (So I'm nit picking....its my right ;) )

    1. The only time the offense was stopped was when they stopped themselves. Brady and Faulk missed connections when he was wide open TWICE killing drives Both were balls we've come to expect Faulk to catch, but on one Brady should take the blame. One drive was killed by a rather specious holding cal, and other by Randy's slight bobble. On every occassion we were our own worse enemy.

    2. At the end of the half we made a tactical error that cost us points. If Brady had merely spiked the ball he would have had time for another play He could have spiked with 12 seconds instead we threw a meaningless pass and had only 6 seconds which left only time for the long FG.

    3. BB should have challenged Shipley's 3rd down catch. It really looked like a pick to me, and I think the replays confirmed it. I don't understand why he didn't challenge it. If they had the D would have looked even better

    4. On their last offensive play, the Pats, Brady had Faulk WIDE open in the flat when he tried to force the ball into Welker. I really hope that Brady isn't going to start to look at Welker at the exclusion of others, like it seemed sometimes last season. He has a lot of weapons this season.

    5. Missed tackles - There were certainly a lot fewer than last season, but enough to make mention

    6. Hernandez dropped what was a great throw by Brady to the only open spot available. I know Felger said it was a bad throw by Brady, but that only proves my point. :D

    7. I don't want to see that running play where the TB runs a counter to the weak side. He literally has to run about 5 yds parallel to the LOS in the opposite direct of the blocking strength just to get to the hole, Amazingly we ran the play about 3 or 4 times and I doubt we got 2 yds combined

    The GOOD: Lots of Good

    1. First let me note that Cinci is going to be a very good football time. I was impressed with Palmer. He threw a lot of passes into very small targets during this game. His receivers made a number of very tough catches as well. And though while it wasn't perfect the run D held a rushing attack that was one of the best in the league last year. This is an offense that I believe will be very productive the rest of the way.

    2.It should also be noted that the Bengals last season had the 4th best overall defense. They were 6th vs the pass 7th vs the run, and 6th in scoring. As far as I know they weren't missing anyone and had the same DC. So it wasn't some rinky dink D we pushed around out there. This offense is as good as we thought it might be.

    3. RBs- I loved what BB did with Taylor - First Talyor looked great, but BB is definitely going to keep his carries to a minimum. Its a long season and today is the last day Taylor (or any RB for that matter) is going to feel 100% BB know Fred's age and isn't going to ride that horse hard. BJGE is what he is, but I'll be happy when Moroney is back to share the load.

    4. QB - It was easy to see the improvement. Tom looked much more composed in the pocket, and except for a about 4 or 5 throws was very accurate

    5. WRs - Welker and Moss were like they never stopped playing from last year. Even Tate got a taste or two.

    6. TE's - I think we got a taste of what that package might bring today.....just a taste. All three have proven they can be more than blockers, though Crumpler and Gronk are very good

    7. OL- I saved the best for last - I'm as frustrated about the Mankins situation as the next guy, and I hope it gets resolved, but that OL did a great job in both aspects of the game. Again that was not a weak Defense either. I did get concerned when Neal went out, and was greatly relieved to see him return to the game. I like our OL, but I'm not thrilled with our depth. Getting back Mankins and Kazcur will go a long way in solving THAT problem.

    8. DL - Now granted I didn't pay as close attention in the 2nd half, but the first half was a revelation. The Pats completely shut down the Bengals running game and provided consistent pressure to Palmer for most of the game. Not great pressure, but a lot more than it seemed we got last season....especially in the first half

    It should be noted (and I'm sure it has been ;) ), that the DL was definitely not just standing there and taking on blockers. They were attacking the LOS more than I've seen a Pats team do in recent years. Clearly BB is playing to his teams strengths in this regard.

    9. ILBs - That was a remarkable catch by Gary Guyton. If you watch the replay carefully it looks like the ball was past him, when he literally takes it out of the TEs hands, and he caught it with his hands in the absolute worst position to catch a ball. I've seen the replay a dozen times and I still can't figure out how he caught the ball.

    Mayo and Spike showed well against the run, and surprising well vs the pass, certainly better than what we've seen this preseason. Now they both weren't as effective in the 2nd half, but that might have been more of a function of the score

    10. OLBs - Ninkovich amazingly seemed to stand out more than the rest of OLBs. Aside from about 3 rushes TBC seemed pretty ordinary to to me and badly missed one tackle on a receiver in space. This isn't to say they played badly, they just by and large didn't stand out. I was particularly disappointed I didn't hear Cunningham's name called.

    DBs - McCourty stood out, Chung Stood out. Merriweather Stood out. Butler covered better than the numbers indicated. ChadO caught a lot of balls that were either right on the money into very tight coverage, or simply made some great catches. I thought both CBs tackled exceptionally well. Wilhite was solid in the slot and while I love James Sanders, I'm real glad he's not starting any more.

    Overall I was VERY happy with the defense. Again that is a VERY good Bengal offense, and even when they were scoring, I couldn't help notice how grudgingly we were giving yds up. It seemed every first down was a struggle. Lots of 3rd and shorts just barely made. Good open field tacking and tight coverage, with lots balls having to be fit in very tight windows, and good catches made. When you compare it to the wide open receivers the Pats had most of the time, it was pretty impressive, A good start for a defense we hope will be much better at the end of the season as they mature.

    On offense I think we all feel better about the run game. It will never be our bread and butter, but I should be good enough to compliment a very exciting passing game. It will also be exciting to watch how the TEs are integrated into the offense. It was fun to see the taste we got....knowing it was only a taste.

    Now who is it that we are playing this week........:D
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    11. Brandon Tate is electric. Lost in Brady's day and the absurd hysteria over Randy Moss was the fact this kid can flat out motor. That kickoff return showed what he's capable of. Excited to see them work him more into the offense and at the very least he has a look about him that says he's not the next Bethel Johnson or Chad Jackson.
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    yeah...thanx Sooner...Bethel and Chad...way to really pump me up..

    I drove through Okla. a few times...wish I could get THAT time back:biggrin2:
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    All I'm saying is he's going to break the trend of draft busts at WR (Edelman aside).

    You wish you could have the time back? Try livin here, chief.
    :help:
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    no insult intended,Sooner...I'm just...a joker...BUT...I stopped in Tulsa once back in the 70's on the way to LA by car...so anyway, I'm starved and I see this so called "Italian" restaurant...<insert Twilight Zone theme>...I go in and order an antipasto and spaghetti...the waitress, who had to be an extra from the Grapes of Wrath yells out to the cook "one ANTI -PASSTOE and spagottie with PARMESIAN cheese..."...yeah, I ate it it, I paid,,,and I left. The next time through I ate barbecue in Arkansas and drove straight across the entire state. I always wondered though, where the hell do you go swimming in OKLA???

    still a mystery to me today
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    Well if'in you like to swim we got us a few of them cement ponds or I reck'n you could go down yonder to the crick and take a dip in tha swimmin hole. :p
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    Man, I ain't even gonna ask how you became a Pats fan...let me promise you something, you ever get out this way,I'll take you,your wife, your brothers or your kids out striper fishing off Block Island...on me without reservations.Fans like you make an old Sullivan stadium season ticket holder and survivor of lightning storms like me proud.
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    Joker the year was 1991. They played on the ESPN night game a couple of times and I fell in love with Leonard Russell, Hugh Millen, crazy Dick MacPherson and the old uniforms. It just took off from there, for better or worse. Although I do remember rooting for the Pats in the '85 Super Bowl.

    Thanks for the offer. My plan is to get up there for a game before Brady retires.
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    Thanks for the offer. My plan is to get up there for a game before Brady retires.

    trust me...you do that as soon as its feasible.There are members of this board who would gladly make that experience worthwhile and most likely near free...I've been a member here since damn near pre Windows 95 and there's longtime members most of us never hear from that make it their business to insure our far flung fans experience the best that ANY fan base in the U.S. can ever have. I can honestly say I've never met a true Patriots fan that would do no less for one of our brethren. Go to Phoenix,Arizona whenever and look up the Patriots bar..it's famous..I KNOW the owner would take care of the entire trip...he's INSANE and that damned bar is the best place I've ever been outside of N.E.

    Who knows...maybe you'll go back to Okla,, open up a real Italian restaurant, make a killing and retire as proprietor of the most famous Patriots joint in the midwest.
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    Grand lake of the Cherokees on the eastern side of the state.
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    yeah..uh thanks...weren't the Cherokees one of the five civilized tribes?...sorry Triumph, I'm a Blackfoot Sioux fan...and of course all Apaches
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    Yes, OK is very civilized.
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    and flat...dusty...UFO's won't land there...I see your point
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    McCourty made 2 top flight CB plays. We all remember the 1st toss where he broke up the long pass but later as 81 ran into the EZ he had him covered and best yet he looked back for the ball and broke up the play.

    The other play that nobody commented on was a receiver screen to Moss in the left. WWW blocks the defender and WTF? Welker takes out not one but TWO DBs with the block allowing Moss to gain yards. Incredible!
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    The things I noticed at the game that were encouraging were:

    1. We have linebackers who contributed to plays! They got their hands on a bunch of balls and even had a pick-six on one.

    2. We have a rookie corner who got picked on early by a pretty good QB and receiver tandem, and stood up to the challenge. No receivers behind the D catching balls for wide open touchdowns (even the Chad Ochocinco TD was a great catch by him, with defenders there, but unable to break it up).

    3. The defense as a whole just looked faster and more energized (at least in the 1st half). I'm thinking BB is hoping to take some young blood and coach em up good, ala 2001.

    Thing(s) that were a little concerning:

    1. In the 2nd half, we seemed to fall back into a familiar pattern of doing well on 1st & 2nd down, then being unable to get off the field on 3rd & long. Hoping this was a function of a) playing prevent defense because of the score; and b) first week fatigue.

    The Pats came out rocking with the pedal to the metal. This was a great start to the season. Hoping our boys can keep it up!
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    my only real problem yesterday was how in the 4th quarter, TBC quit on a pass-rush while the defense was struggling to stop the bengals

    beyond that, the defense was about what I expected. they made some big plays and some of the young guys gut burned a bit.

    as good as it looked at times, the offense was a little disappointing. I thought they could have done better against the bengals.

    onto next week. I want to see the rookie TE's expose the NYJ LB's
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    The offense was disappointing? They had one punt. Granted it was in a bad spot, but every one of their other drives was productive. They were really only stopped a few times; the Faulk drops aren't going to happen usually. Even the second Faulk drop, that was a very encouraging play -- as suspect as the play-calling was most of last year, it was great yesterday, with that being a great example, a perfect blitz-killing play that Brady just made a bad throw on (he back-shouldered Faulk a little when he should have led him).

    The best thing about yesterday, to me, was Taylor. He looked terrific. There was a second-half play where he bulled about 7-8 yards for a first down where he looked like the old Fred Taylor. He was breaking a lot of tackles and hitting the hole very hard. If we have that kind of runner the whole year, this offense is going to be nasty.
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    Hats off to Tate for recognizing the lanes, but his successes are from the exceptional blocking by the kickoff team. He wasn't touched during his preseason TD or yesterday's. Great total team effort.
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    Absolutely not. Judging defenses by total yards allowed is ridiculous. It completely ignores team offenses, drive pace, etc.

    The bengals were an average defense. Check out footballoutsiders.com
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    Great post as always. Pretty much only disagree on your Bengals assessment. I don't think they're goingn to be that good this year. The rankings look nice but they did have a rough finish last year and they did not look good at all in the preseason either. I know it's just preseason, but point is it has been a while since they have looked like the 4th best defense. Offensively I don't think they are good enough up front for their weapons to shine, Palmer is going to be under fire.
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    I woke up quite happy this morning. I saw the team that I had hoped would show up, that had the potential many saw but were afraid would be lost in "rookie" mistakes.

    This team had a high energy level, and a physicality to it that was just PUSHING the Bengals line back time and time again.

    I am so looking forward to watching tonight's game and then our visit to Jersey this weekend. :)
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    Points left on the field and lots to work on with both Offense and Defense.

    But, for the first real game of the season, OUTSTANDING.

    BB gets to pick apart the weaknesses and players get to work on correcting their mistakes.....great tuneup for the Jets.

    Usually have letdowns after a dominating win but with the next game being the J-E-T-S Pats should be pumped.:rocker:
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    in terms of points left on the field, yes. in terms to the playcalling in the 3rd quarter that led to a 3 and out and the bengals putting up 14, yes. with the youth of this defense, the pats offense will need to control the ball better.

    the difference in the game was a defensive TD and a special teams TD. things you can't count on on a weekly basis.

    the bengals defense was rather poor yesterday. with the weapons tha pats have, they should have produced more on offense
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    You're making the mistake of assuming the game would have completed identically if those things hadn't happened.


    BB clearly took the foot off the gas. The Bengals scored, but they took off tons of time doing it.




    You also can't count on young DBs dropping 3 or 4 INTs in one game every week.
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    Sometimes I forget how lucky Pats fans are to have such a great person as Tom Brady as our QB. It was reinforced yesterday as Brady exited the field and gave handslaps to 10 or 12 miltary people near the tunnel entrance. He stopped and came back to hit the one hand of the guy he missed, total class.
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    Although I don't post that often, I have been reading Patfankens's "idle thoughts" for a long while. Not only are his posts the most informative and sensible it draws informative and sensible responses from other very knowledgeable members of this forum. I watched the game yesterday at Beef O'Brady's here in the Tampa area and I told many Patriot fans about this site and I mentioned Patfanken's posts specifically. I'm hoping the real Pats fans join and contribute, I'm going to make a contribution right now. Keep up the great work all of you knowledgeable posters!
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    I've been to Okie once. The people there are great, very friendly and kind. In fact, too friendly and kind. For you Okie folks, when you see a dark-haired northerner walking to an 8 am interview, and the roosters just crowed for the first time that morning, and he's looking morosely into his coffee with a half-****-eyed look and little granules of sand in his eyes, you do NOT have to say "GOOD MORNING!" in the most lilt-y singsong voice you can muster with a huge smile on your face, and the women with their rather nice-looking big blue eyes opened wide--expecting a return good morning from the grumpy northerner!

    This event was repeated about 15 times each morning.

    Other things I remember: the dead grass is known as yellow grass. The red soil is filled with iron, and once it gets on your clothes, it just doesn't come off, that's why you see all these little kids running around after school in sweats with big red splotches on them that make you think there's some kind of festival going on, and then there are a lot of McMansions from big oil people far across town from the shotgun shacks, and the bars are huge--like barns--and the town of Stillwater was named not because the water was rather stagnant, but because there was still some water there in that town.-
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    I noticed that, but I wouldn't worry about it. Brady saw Faulk on that play and chose not to go there - if I had to guess, they treated that play as "practice" and we're specifically working on a certain play. Maybe he just wanted to get it to Welker, thinking each rep he gets is a step forward. Who knows. Either way, the play was utterly meaningless, and the team seemingly treated it as a practice play.
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    I'll give Gost the miss on the 50+ yarder, but we've come to expect him to get the 40-45 one that he missed. With that, the offense would have scored 27 points, even though they were playing a soft defense that was designed to make the Bengals take 6 or 7 minutes to score in the 2nd half. Also, since ST got the TD to open the half, the offense was potentially robbed of a meaningful drive to add to those numbers. Same thing with the pick-six. Adds a TD to the score, but keeps the offense off the field.

    Have we really become so spoiled as a fanbase that an offense that an offense that puts up 24 (should have been 27) points in a blowout overall and only has to punt ONCE is "disappointing"?
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    Funny tweet from Ochocinco:

    I remember the hit. Meriweather POPPED him.

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