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    They're better suited for a 3-4 at LB but they're two DE's short in a 3-4. Deaderick is good depth but not a starter.
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    I agree on Deaderick being a depth guy. However I think we're only one DE short. Love is good enough to play the 3 technique DE. That's essentially what he's playing right now.
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    I wonder if either Bequette, Francis, or maybe even Jones could bulk up and play 3-4 DE. Doubtful, but they all seem too big to play 3-4 OLB. To me, that just shows how BB is building this defense to be a 4-3 in the long run.
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    Bequette might be our only chance there. He would need about 15 lbs. Not a bad idea though.
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    I'm hoping that they resign Spikes for a nice future deal, as his gutsy play and run stopping ability will be needed no matter what the other moves are in my opinion.

    I see the return of Fletcher as more of a ST/coverage LB role that guys like White, Tarpinian, Carpenter, and Koutivedes played---nothing more. In other words there will be a spot for him on this team, but it shouldn't be more than depth and a bit role either.
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    I wonder if Belichick isn't keep both options open not only for the ability to use both/a combination in certain scenarios, but also for a more longer-term capability depending upon who stays/who leaves/who is added via free agency and the draft.
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    Fletcher's role will be much more than just ST. He had a growing role in the past. He wore the green dot at times in the preseason. I'm not really sure about his coverage skills though. He seems like more of a north south player. He's a converted DE from college. Fletcher and Francis are really exciting prospects.
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    Fletcher was certainly one of our most hyped "coverage LBs," and it was quite a surprise to many that T.White started in that role over him in the most recent SB.

    His speed and coverage ability (although certainly not great) was probably the best on the team, but apparently Belichick felt that White was better prepared to face the Giants possibly due to the fact that he played significantly in the regular season game vs them last season too.

    I am not saying that Fletcher is "just a ST guy" by any means, but he is certainly in the role of the White/Tarpinian/Koutevedes/Carpenter role for sure.

    He did play a bit more at times in the past due to injury of a starter though last season.
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    Me too. I know sometimes he guesses wrong but he seems to make plays just when we need them (the FF in the Arizona game, the FF on Spiller, and I thought there was one more but it escapes me at the moment)...
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    A couple of things.

    I still don't see anywhere near as much moaning here as I do moaning about the moaners.

    In spite of what the meaningless numbers say, my eyes see the same defense we had last year, the one that's soft at the worst times. Not always, but certainly too much. They also give up a ton of big plays on 3rd down. I'm surprised that everyone doesn't see that.

    You need to pick your mediot sources better. That seems to be where most of the negativity is coming from.

    I don't want to hear about how good they are, or might be. I want to see it. Even the running stats you mentioned are close to the same as last year. The only thing different is on offense where they finally woke up and starting using the run. For that I'm grateful.

    I couldn't care less about who plays where. My hope is that, as was the case last year and in the past, the Pats will add some wrinkles to their defense and show lots of improvement down the stretch. They have the speed and quickness to be a very disruptive defense down the road.

    1 - I think any mention of injuries is wrong. You play with the available players and concentrate on that. Talking about injuries is the same as talking about bad calls. They sound like excuses.

    2 & 3 - The Pats would be fools to let Welker go. It would send the wrong message to the team.

    4 & 5 - I think the OL is showing itself to be a strength this year. One that we didn't think we had. Thanks Dante.


    6 - They better keep rushing the ball or they'll be hearing from me. ;)

    7 - I think it would be crazy for Luck to continue running with the ball. If he does that this week they'll clean his clock.

    8 & 9 - The draft is a crap shoot. I also think that having a UDFA move up the depth chart is a good thing. It seems like it happens all the time in the NFL.

    10 - It's never too early for bye talk.

    11 - There's no better position to be in than under the radar, especially coming off of the AFCC.
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    The media has consistently considered us a top team, with a great shot to win the Super Bowl. There is much more negativity on pats message boards than anywhere else.

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    Every team has injuries, and every fan can use what if's.

    The defense is poor, for years now, healthy or not, early or not. It isn't ruining the team but its a fact that can't be denied.
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    Does anyone else think Ebner should be getting more time at S? (I'm aware he was part of getting torched on the bomb to Rice play) He's played sparingly, mostly in garbage time, but he looks fast and quick on the field. He made a great coverage play in the Rams game, and wouldn't it be nice to have two athletic safeties for once in Mccourty and Ebner; instead of these borderline-FCS athetic stiffs in Gregory/Ihedigbo.
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    I think at this point Wilson is better than Ebner. Also, as we learned last week, BB would rather start Gregory than Wilson.
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    The LBs are going to gave the same coverage responsibilities in a 34 or a 43. Alignment isn't going to change that.
    And we played a lot of 34 vs the Bills.
    Finally, LB coverage in the base D isn't the issue, its the sub packages that are critical.

    This defense is missing more than a DT and a coverage LB to be elite.
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    No. Ebner should only play S when all the safeties are injured and all the corners who can be moved there are injured too, and maybe even if Sergio Brown isn't available to pick up.:D
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    Your post got too long for me to finish reading, but I liked the first twenty pages of it.

    McCourty is a good player. He would probably get better at safety if we kept him there, but I'd like to see us healthy enough at safety that he can play his usual corner spot. Let Dennard and Talib battle for the other spot. Maybe Talib can play the nickle and Tavon Wilson comes in on the dime. Arrington comes in in sub packages or in case of injury. Having Arrington as our worst option is better than Sergio Brown.
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    Not true. The Mike in a 34 has much less coverage responsibilities than a Mike in a 43.
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