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    .....an entire week to speculate and ponder aspects of the season without the pressure of a specific game. That's part of the pleasure and pain of a bye week. The pleasure is your team getting some much needed rest has one less game to have to win for a championship, and will play at home. The pain is like an addict who misses his daily dose. Its the weekend and there is no anticipation, anxiety, or adrenaline rush.....just nothing......just....this column ;)

    I already did a post on what a unique year this has been, and I've seen it done several times in the general media since in one form or another...some much better, some worse. So I thought I'd pontificate on some things I haven't seen done lately and ask some questions that have been bugging me. In no particular order.....

    1. BB's message has been clear this week and in some sense its kind of scary. 14-2 earned you a week off....and THAT'S ALL! Right now we are 0-0 and next week we will face a very good team who has ALREADY won one more playoff game that we have. OUCH!

    If you catch ALL ACCESS, you will see that this was essentially his message to the team, and he started sending it immediately after the Dolfins game. "Congrats" "Nice Effort"....BUT.....

    2. Other scary things I've seen this week to ponder.

    a. We have 37 players who have never won a playoff game on our 53 man roster. I'm not great at math but that would seem like a vast majority.

    b, It has 26 who are in their first or 2nd year in the league.

    c, They will have 9 rookies starting or playing significant roles. (Gronk, Hernandez, McCourty, Spikes, Fletcher, Love, Mesko, Cunningham, and now Deadrick....again)

    d. We lost 2 of our 3 best Dlinemen (TWarren and Wright AND an improving replacement starter (RBrace). The Pats have had to sign 3 street FAs the the Roster AFTER the 12th game (EMoore, LCohen, AEllison,) That's unheard of for any playoff team let alone the #1 seed. I worry about our DLine depth being compromised.

    e. All this clearly makes all the "Pats invincibility" crap that is NOW coming out of the media seem as ridiculous as some of the "End of the Era" stuff we heard earlier this season. My 60's conspiracy side smells a plot by the media to set the Pats up to fail.

    The reality is that if you consider the items above, you should see what an epic accomplishment its been just to get this far, and should they fail to win it all, this season, i should be considered a huge success overall.

    However next year will be a different story....and I WILL be pissed if they don't win at least one game. ;)

    f. Here's the REALITY - The Pats are the team that is playing the best football in the league going into the playoffs. They SHOULD be favored. However,any team they are going to face has a reasonable chance to beat them, if THEY don't play their best.

    3. BTW- Mike Wright had 5.5 sacks in just 7 games. I saw that and went HMMMMMM. Don't they send guys to Hawaii who get sacks at that rate. Make no mistake, just because we've played well with him on the sidelines, we would be much better if he were out there. Mike Wright has developed into a better than average NFL DLineman. Anyone know his contract situation?

    4.That is what brings me to my next observation. Going into this year, I would have bet the house that the first Pats pick in the upcoming draft was going to be the best 3-4 DE available. But now I wonder. What DE prospect could come into this system an have a bigger impact that a healthy Ty Warren will have, at least short term. Also hasn't the progress made by Brace, Love, Pryor, and even the tardy Deadrick made the immediate need for a DLineman less urgent. And don't forget the sold contribution from GWarren this season.

    b. So then I thought with 6 picks in the first hundred where SHOULD we invest our most expensive assets. OL would seem the next obvious choice. Light and Mankins could be gone, and Neal might have to retire. But what if Light AND Mankins are back (like I think they will). Connolly has proven an excellent fill in, and Kascur is a proven asset at a lot of positions. Do we really need to invest a high pick on an OLman when it is likely he would start his career in a back up role? Plus it seems that there is a lack of "elite" OLmen coming out this draft....I don't think so.

    c. So OK the next obvious target is RB. Woodhead and BJGE are a start, but Taylor, Faulk, and Morris are ancient, so a running back here seems like a sure thing....but is it? Between the likes of AFoster and BJGE, etc, it would seem that you can find competent RBs all through the draft. PLUS the long list of "failures" of 1st round RBs (Spiller, Matthews most recently); makes one hesitate to draft a RB so high. The risk reward doesn't seem to justify it.

    d. The next likely spot would seem to be WR. You know we have to replace Randy Moss. But once again we run into the same issues we see with the RB. Lots of failures with high WR picks and many successes in the lower rounds. PLUS we have 6 pretty good WRs currently on the roster and only one of them is over 30.

    BTW- I know Edelman has disappointed this season after the lofty expectations we had for him after his exceptional rookie year, BUT....after watching his effort in the Fin game, made me think it was more from a lack of opportunities with a healthy Welker and 2 TEs than anything wrong with him, especially when you consider this is STILL only his 2nd year playing the position.

    I also liked what I saw from Price in his first NFL game. I was most impressed with his quickness and acceleration. Don't forget that he played in an pass offense that was primitive even for the college game. He has a lot to learn. Still I was disappointed that he couldn't get on the field even if it was to cover kicks.

    e, So where SHOULD that first pick go. A DB? I know Merriweather has replaced Moroney as everyone's favorite whipping boy, but while he isn't an 'all pro'....and does seem to be geometrically challenged sometimes, he has played solidly for most of the season. Between him, the fast improving Chung, the very solid Sanders, the surprising Page, and the 2 S's we already have on IR. I think we are set there.

    When Boddin Returns we will have 5 CBs - 2 very good starters in Boddin and McCourty and 3 guys in Butler, Wilhite, and Arrington, who have all started and often haven't embarrassed themselves. Do we need the best CB available in the middle of the first round.

    f. I don't think ILB is a target, especially with the surprising play of Dane Fletcher. His ability to come in an play on the inside after a career as a college DE is as surprising as Edelman contributing in his first year ever playing WR.

    Believe me I made the move from the DL to OLB in a 4-3 after college and in those rare times we played an "over" D and I lined up over a G it was like entering a foreign country for me.... and I played like the alien I was whenever we did. ;) I DID NOT like it. Even when I made the move from OLB to SS, it too a long time to get comfortable seeing the game from the middle of the field as opposed from one side.

    Don't forget it took Tedy Bruschi about 6 years to make the transition from college DE to OLB to ILB. This kid is doing it in one and he didn't even play division one ball. Pretty good stuff. In fact its remarkable

    g. Finally we get to the obvious pick - OLB. Cunningham has been better than expected. Ninkovich has been MUCH better than expected. TCB has been OK, and if Eric Moore make one more impact play, I'm going to personally have his urine checked. This kid has made more "big plays" in the few games he's been here than he's made in his entire very unimpressive 5year pro career. Who woke him up. :eek:

    Now I don't know the players, but Robert Quinn is the first name everyone seems to mention. So here is what I'm proposing. Before the season we had a LOT of holes and question marks. Now....not so much. at least as I see it.

    We have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, so we pretty much can go and get anyone we want right up to #1. Think about what BB could do with all the current YOUNG defensive talent and a guy with Lawrence Taylor's physical skills. WOW!

    Granted the kid hasn't played in a year, and I have no idea about his mental toughness or motor, but on the surface he sound like the PERFECT pick. If you know more about him, feel free to elaborate.

    So here is what I'm thinking and asking. I don't think we need 6 more players in the first 3 rounds. This issue is no longer quantity. The retooling of the roster has been completed. Now it needs fine tuning. Let me know if you agree. Then consider this hypothetical.

    BB has decided he agrees with me and is wilingl to move up in this draft and turn his 6 picks into 2 targeted players. Which 2 would you get and how would you do it?
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    5. Are you as tired as I am constantly hearing how the Ravens "won't be intimidated coming into Gillette", like THAT is the major reason they are considered our most "dangerous" potential opponents. That is just SO MUCH crap.

    There isn't a single team we could face that wouldn't come into a playoff game with the Pats feeling they have a great chance to win. These are highly paid professional athletes. At this level they are all well coached and well prepared. NO ONE is "intimidated". Do you think the Colts will be "intimidated"? Of course not. and neither will Pittsburgh. They don't care about losing here before, any more than the Pats are 'intimidated' by the Ravens, because they kicked their ass last January.

    After any loss, by the time the coaches break down the game and point out mental and physical errors, it all is directed back to the players. Its never the other team that beat them. Its always THEIR OWN mistakes. If they had just done this, or that, then THEY would have been the ones to have kicked ass. Not to mention the refs, and all the "if onlys" that entails.

    The same mental toughness that allows these guys to excel at that level is the same ego that makes it impossible for them to admit that they were just beaten. Yes they can accept defeat, but a person THAT competitive never thinks he couldn't have changed the outcome by doing something different

    BOTTOM LINE: No one is going to be "intimidated" coming to Gillete. So for that reason, I am no more afraid of the Ravens than any other potential foe.


    6. I think it was back in 2003 the Pats accomplished something I thought was quite remarkable. In the course of winning the superbowl they managed to win 10 games against teams who had won 10 or more games

    It got me to thinking about this season, and the fact the Pats have played 7 games against current playoff teams....and are 6-1 In fact they have already beaten 6 of the 11 other playoff teams. I wonder if in the current format any other team has managed to accomplish that?

    7. The more Rex Ryan becomes entertaining, the less I fear the Jets. I HAVE to think that even his own lockerroom is getting tired of having Rex writing checks that THEY have to cash. Even before he unnecessarily insults Tom Brady, he dismissed the entire Colts coaching staff and 44 of the 45 players they will have to face tomorrow. WHAT A FOOL!

    That being said, I will hold my nose and root for a Jet victory tomorrow. No shame in wanting a dangerous foe knocked out....even though I don't see how the Jets will do it. ;)

    8. I am constantly amazed that the Pats keep having all kinds of injuries and have to constantly find guys off the streets, yet the prevailing perception by the national media is that the Pats never have a injury problem, while at the same time other selected teams are constantly given that crutch. It pisses me off, though I pretty sure that BB doesn't mind a bit. It only reinforces his "next man up" mantra

    BTW- I would appreciate if someone could dig out the injury stats on this season. I'm pretty sure there is one for the teams who lost the most starters games to injuries, and another which tracks how many players wind up on IR. I'd be very interested to see how the Pats stack up with the rest of the league on that.

    IIRC the Pats either led the league or were in the top 5 of the most injured teams in 2003 and 2004. Up to that time, there was a pretty significant correlation to a team's health and getting to the superbowl. I think it will be interesting to see were the Pats stand this year.

    OK that's enough for now. I eagerly await your comments....as usual
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    I want the Colts to win...the quicker the exit from NY the more we can celebrate the death of the super bowl or bust party of the 2010 NY Jets.

    Besides few people want to hear another week of crap spewing from Rex Ryan's mouth.

    The Colts have little chance to win at Pitt the next week anyway.
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    DEFENSIVE LINE
    Wright is signed though 2012, but I wouldn't count on him being back.
    I like all four "W" and want to re-sign G Warren.
    I still want to add a DE stud. If we get 2 top players, one would be a DE.

    THE TWO TOP PLAYER SCENARIO - THAT IS< DRAFTING LIKE THE JETS DO
    This simply puts too many eggs in one or two baskets.

    Besides, you have a lot ifs. We can consider this strategy only after we re-sign or extend Light, Mankins and Koppen, and believe that we can count on Connolly as a starter. We can consider this only if Warren is re-signed, and only if Bodden, Warren and Wright are expected to be back at 100%.

    MY BOTTOM LINE
    I see us drafting 4-5 players in the top 100 plus trading a pick or 2 forward, business as usual. We have the obvious needs on the OL. we certainly could use ONE from seven stud. We need a safety to train for 2012. All three of our starting safeties took a season to learn the position. And we need a running back.


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    Some reactions.

    A. You played DL? How? You seem so articulate!

    B. 37 out of 53 is a little over 2/3. In fact, it's 70%.

    C. Nobody has ever expected BB to use all 6 high picks in the draft, because he could always roll one or more forward. But beyond that, you're right that the big quantitative transition has already been made. That said, :D

    1) CB could use some competition. The WORST of Butler, Wilhite, and Arrington wouldn't be much of a loss, asset-wise.

    2) Chung is the only safety who's both getting reps and under contract for very long.

    3) I agree about ILB. ;)

    4) I'm fine with not drafting an OLB/rusher. I'm glad Cunningham worked out, but BB has repeatedly said that the conversions usually take so long that it's hard to get good value from a draft pick.

    5) Wright is a sub/passing down guy in his best use -- Jarvis Green, although perhaps playing even better. A stud DL wouldn't replace him; rather, he'd replace the worst 2 or so of Brace, G. Warren, Love, Deaderick, and Pryor, and take reps from the better ones.

    Yes, I know Pryor is also a sub guy, but we don't really need sub interior rushers, as the starters can also play that role.

    6) Even if Light and Mankins come back, there's room for a high-pick interior OL. Neal is a serious threat to retire, hit IR, etc., and it would be nice to have 7 OL who can play not counting him.

    For all the stories of long-term development of Pats OL, the truth is that just about all the starters except Neal were already starters their rookie years. The projects become great backups and decent fill-in starters more than they become the starters you really want.

    7) We don't need tight ends. :)

    8) Given Taylor's and Morris' recent track records for production and durability, we could use a pounder RB.

    9) We have two excellent starting WRs, 3 youngsters, and the STer. No need to add, especially since Hernandez gets a bunch of what might otherwise be WR snaps anyway. That said, :D the situation isn't that different from CB, where we have 2 guys who are clearly good, and 3 young guys who have been adequate at best.

    10) We don't need QBs. :D
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    FRAT! cliff notes version please! Okay, now that I have given you a hard time I must say that is a very impressive post. Can't wait to see what you come up with next week and the week off before the Pats play in the SB.
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    Going back to the draft, agree we will not use all 6 of the first 96.. but early one would suspect that they would be looking for the O line first, our line has done well.. but with all this capital would think that would be a good investment..

    If there is a rookie scale in place, then this may become more salient..

    I always wonder why we have not drafted a pedigree OLB or Pass Rusher.. then take a gander at our overall results, we do not have sexy stats..

    #14 in sacks
    #1 in interceptions
    #27 in forced fumbles
    #1 in turnover differential..
    #13 in defensive passer rating

    But somehow the focus on a sexy pass rush, is nothing more that shiny beads, for some reason we are 14-2..

    OTOH the top teams in overall defense:

    Chargers
    Steelers
    Jets
    Saints
    Packers
    Dolphins
    Giants
    Vikings
    Bears
    Ravens

    Our team has 8 wins against these "top" defenses... and only one loss. Pretty amazing..

    Aaron Schatz(sp) of CHFF was on the radio last week and he said something to the effect that every time a team throws an int their chance of winning goes down 20%, conversely every time a time gets a pick their chance of winning increases by 20%..

    Maybe this is the message that BB got before everyone else did..
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    First time I've ever seen a player described as "geometrically challenged"! Good description of Meriweather.
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    Who's the next Ed reed in this draft? I've a feeling that's what we are after.
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    I think it's 9 wins - see above.

    BB has always said that sacks are overrated. Interceptions, on the other hand, are not ...
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    Don't get me wrong. Anytime you can find an Ed Reed you make the pick and find a way to play him but I'm pretty comfortable saying that interceptions and coverage currently isn't and won't be a problem for the team in the next couple of years.
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    Couldn't find official numbers but the injury reports showed 3 teams with the most players on IR: Green Bay (15), New England (13), and Indy (12). It makes some sense since all we've heard all year is how beat up the Colts are or how many injuries Green Bay has recovered from. But very little talk about the Pats, even when the announcers don't know who half the guys on our DL are.

    As for starters, I took a quick look and kind of was a bit more lenient as some guys may not "start" the game but play just as much, if not more than starters, so I counted key contributors. GB had 8 on IR, Indy had 6, and we had 8.

    GB and Indy put more players on IR during October/November, which is why it probably got more attention. The Pats had 7 players on IR in September, including 6 before the season even started. So if we're talking about man games lost to injury, we'd probably be at the top of the list.

    I agree, would love to see the Jets implode. I hate the Colts too, but not as much as the Jets.

    :rofl:

    Good point. And considering pass rush was a major concern going into this season, it's worth noting we finished tied for 14th, not bad at all.

    And for all the obsession with sacks, it's worth noting that only 4 of the top 11 teams (two teams tied for 10th) made the play-offs, and only 7 of the top 16. I'm not saying pressure on the QB is a bad thing, just that sacks tend to be over-valued by a lot of people.
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    I'm happy with the DE performance too but most of our guys seem to excel at either run stopping (T Warren, Deaderick, Brace) or pass rush (G Wrren, Wright). I'd like to find another complete DE that we had with Seymour. Not sure if there are any available from our draft position but at the worst, you can never have enough depth at DL.

    OLB and OL are other areas I'd like to see prioritized in the draft. Even though Light and Koppen might be back and starting, I wouldn't be against drafting some prospects to eventually replace them even if they aren't used much year 1/2. Looking where this team is right now, they don't need every high pick to contribute right away. My fingers are crossed that Mankins is locked up but if he isn't G becomes a need.

    Later in the draft I'd like to see RB depth addressed. If Price is the real deal we don't have a need (or room even) for another WR. Wonder if safety will be a position of interest since Merri will only have 1 year left on the rookie contract and 2 pro bowls under his belt. I've seen worse DB's get really nice contracts so I believe he will be hard to retain after next season.
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    Seems that this week you had plenty of "idle" time. Nice long read.

    Couple of thoughts...

    At the beginning of the season when looking at the schedule, it was already perceived to be brutal. Now looking back at the team records on the season, it looks like the competition was EVEN MORE brutal than anticipated. I can't believe we came out of this 14-2. One of the most rewarding seasons. I already got my gravy. Anything in this post season is just piling it on.:singing:

    In terms of drafting positions. This may not be a popular train of thought, but, I think the secondary FS/CB can use another pick, even with Bodden coming back. Perhaps not another middle of the road pick but, if there is a stud safety or CB sitting there, I think you have to take him (unless there is a stud OLB there).
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    If there is a very smart strong center worthy of a #1 pick and if Mankins and
    Light are signed then that might be a good #1 pick.
    Kopen will be 32 this year and a top notch replacement would be nice to have waiting for Dan's retirement.

    Morris and Taylor are long in the tooth and BJGE needs a good backup if
    one in FA can't be found.
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    1) If Jets win tonight, the 3rd rounder comp they give up in the 2011 draft comp for Cromartie becomes a 2nd rounder.

    2) If the Jets win tonight, Manning would now be under .500 lifetime (9-10) in the playoffs - thus further squashing the "Manning is Better than Brady" national media drumbeat.

    3) Lemme ask you this, WHOM would you rather face next week in Gillette - - the Ravens or the Jets?
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    Could we trade Merriwether this offseason???? His perceived value from other teams may be at a zenith at this point if the Pats win it all next month (no jinx). Consider a young 2-time Pro-Bowler with a ring. "Sell high, buy low".

    Let's put it this way - - could the Pats get a 2013 1st rounder for him? Or 2nd and 3rd rounders in 2012.

    If they do that, then maybe they can keep all of those top 3 in the first 33 picks this draft, get a high pick Safety to groom behind Chung and Sanders to make the same stupid "geometrically challenged" (love that, thanks, Patsfanken!) mistakes that Merriwether makes now. I don't see Merriwether as a "Patriot-type" guy on the field or in the lockerroom and now could be optimal time to cut bait.

    By keeping those top 3 picks - they can get a good Safety, Center/OL and OLB (need a bookend for Cunningham) and, at the same time, be stocked again for the 2012/2013 drafts.
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    Is there any doubt.......seeing the Colts exit (no one player scares me more than Peyton) coupled with the obvious choice of seeing the team that scares me the most (Ravens, # 2 scare is KC) having to wait a week or maybe not at all......says.....J-E-T_S for today!

    Great read Ken........thanks for posting.

    Can you tell us who you played for and when, I never knew this about you before.
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    Call me crazy, but I want to see the Ravens. For one, outside of a Pats win nothing gives me more pleasure than seeing the Jets knocked out of the playoffs. On the field I just have a feeling that the Pats are going to give the Ravens a revenge smackdown for the beating they took last year.

    Plus as much as we hate the Jets, and would love to beat them down, they are still a tough division rival that can get on a roll.

    Remember last season, nobody gave them much of a chance vs San Diego (including me), and they played a great game. Also the Jets sucked going down the stretch then turned it on in the playoffs. I can see that happening again. I don't want to see the Jets.
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