Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by Boston Tim, Apr 4, 2007.
For #6. Pats draft Laron Landry.
You mean LaRon Williams? He is not exactly great in coverage. Sean Taylor and Roy Williams is what you would be getting...ORRRRRR Brandon Merritweather and Reggie Nelson could be Ed Reed.
What are you talking about? Landry is a fine zone-cover safety.
I've seen this posted a few times.. Why do people want to trade an established CB for a Safety? Considering this is a deep draft in Safeties and we have needs at other positions (corner), I think that would be a horrible move..
And this isn't even bringing into the factor that the #6 pick gets 15 mill guaranteed..
Because Wilson is in the final year of his contract, Harrison is old and fragile, and Sanders is merely adequate. And also because Asante will get quite a bit of guaranteed money as well, but for just a single truly excellent season...
here comes hell with bunch of trolls saying: lets trade X and X for this and get X
trade this guy because hes not happy for this :
youd love to send 28 and asante to washington? well probably wont happen.
id love to trade Cassell for 1st overall pick..but **** it aint happening either
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BTW, Washington was willing to send #6 to Chicago for Briggs and #31. Asante and #28 for #6 seems plausible in that light. If you stop and think about it first, that is...
I'd sooner trade him to a divison rival such as Buffalo and take Leon Hall from Michigan.
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you realize skins have: Springs, Smoot, Rogers
its already a highly paid group of DBs with Taylor aswell
How bout to Minnesota? They can stop the run but not the pass
How many posts does NEM have?
Springs is in the middle of a contract dispute. Rogers slumped. And here's a neat quote for you to consider, "Last year, we felt we got hurt with our depth at corner," Gibbs said. "You don't want to make the same mistake twice."
So, are you ready to retract your initial comments yet?
I only suggested the Redskins because of the parallel between Asante+28 and Briggs+31.
Minnesota needs a QB badly - No way they give up a #1 for a CB - QB is a major concern..All their QBs suck - Unless someone unexpectably takes him before they get a shot then Brady Quinn will be a Viking come late April.
I think they're happy enough with Tavaris Jackson, they aren't going to rush into another QB just yet.
Mr. Kraft has said that the late first round is where the best dollar value comes from, who is there at no. 6 to really be worth a mega- contract to the Pats? Paying two first rounders would be very expensive when you add in that high a pick. Now, if the Pats knew they could work a deal to trade out of the first with the pick - maybe a number two this year and a first next year - then I could see them swapping Samuel and 24 for Washinton's no. 6, but I don't see them coveting that high a pick this year. Calvin Johnson is the only one who seems to a be sure thing worth the big bucks high draftees get and he will be gone by no. 6.
If you trade Asante, who play corner?
Minny will draft either QB if they are their. Tavares Jackson? They may say they love him, but does anyone think they'll pass on Quinn or Russell?
You don't trade Star Corner Backs for draft picks, especially picks that are going to cost you almost as much as the player.. Their is no value. Second, Corners in the NFL are a premium, Safeties are not..
Lets worry about this year. Right now, We have Wilson and Harrison. We could use one of our #1 picks on a safety.. A draft that is deep in them.
Trading Samuel is a bad move..
Landry at 6 would not be worth it to us. The only thing I would guess that we would want at 6 is a falling Calvin Johnson (which won't happen) or Gaines Adams if he was a sure thing to make the switch to 3-4 OLB, and that isn't a guarantee either. I don't want to move Samuel at all, though having 3 First Round picks this year and 2 next year sounds intriguing. But those are what they are, just draft picks, while we have an established CB who is a playmaker.
Asante is hardly a star cornerback. The guy had one good season. If the Pats were willing to part ways with Ty Law, then parting ways with Asante shouldn't be a problem.
Hobbs, Gay, Asante, Scott. Premium players? C'mon...
The draft is about team building. Free agency is about plugging holes. I think you got that mixed up.
My point exactly.
You missed the statement where this draft is extremely deep at Safety. Landry is but ONE player. The Pats could get a player only half a step behind Landry and get better value later in the first. There are other players like Sabby Piscatell and John Wendling who could be just as good as Landry, but need more refinement.
While I am not as high as some people are on Samuel (his hit first/tackle second mentality in particular), the Pats believe that he is either a Top 5 CB or close to being a top 5 cornerback. Its why they franchised him. So, yes, he'd fall into the premium type player.
As for Hobbs, Scott, and Gay, you're right. They aren't premium yet. Hobbs looks like he is on his way. Scott is a journeyman and Gay could be a good player if he stays healthy. The problem is that all 3 of them have had health issues the past 2 years. Scott with his shoulder. Hobbs with his wrist. Gay with his ankle and then hamstring.
Also, it should be noted that the Pats think highly of Gay, otherwise they wouldn't have slapped him with a 2nd round RFA tag.
I think that the Pats are perfectly willing to play out the year with Asante on the Franchise tag to see how Gay does. If Gay develops, then they could be willing to Franchise him again and trade him next year.
I am of 2 minds about trading Samuel. On one hand it would be foolish because they could let him play out the Franchise tag and then trade him next year. On the other hand, if someone like Tampa came to the Pats with an offer of 2 2nds this year and a 2nd next year of #28 and Samuel for 2nds and a #1 next year, the Pats would be foolish to pass it up. But they would have to make the deal AFTER the drafted a corner they felt could step in.
While there might be some growing pains early on, I think that the Pats have a defense that could help minimize those growing pains. Especially for a pick like Revis.
Now, the Pats would also have to pick up a 2nd youngster like Usama Young as well because we all know the Pats need depth at Corner as well as safety.
I would take a Sean Taylor any day.
Here is a thought I just had. Going on the facts that Belichick tends to not draft LB high, we just acquired 3 WR, and we re-signed a few OL which seems to point into us going a different direction in round one, it seems like DB is a likely candidate for Round 1. Of course someone like Carriker could fall and change that up, or we could pick Leonard, but for all intensive purposes lets stay on DB. If we trade Asante for a 1st this year, would our Defensive Backfield be stronger drafting say 2 CBs and 1 S? I wouldn't mind a Darrelle Revis/Chris Houston/Brandon Merriweather (or whichever Safety you feel fits the Pats best) first round. Do you think this would make our team better?
Good corners are a coveted thing. You could get a Asante for a first round pick straight up. I would not "throw in" anything.
I'd rather have seen the Pats win the last SB than have Seattle's pick in the draft, but it looked like Branch was going to hold out for 10 games, so the FO did the right thing.
I'd rather see the Pats win next year's SB than have a pick for Samuel. The difference is that Samuel will not hold out. He's not in the last year of his rookie contract, earning rookie money like Branch. A hold out would cost him 5 million dollars.
I wouldn't want some unproven rookie for Samuel next year. The rookie might be better in 2008, but that won't get you a 2007 ring.
Question? I don't want to see the Pats with another side show this summer. Cut out the rotten spot. But....Why would anyone want to send an established CB (or LB) to Washington just for moving up to a #6 in the draft? All drafts are a crap shoot. This one is no exception. In fact it's very weak. Who's to say a Landry is worth more than a Nelson or a Griffin or a Wendling in the long run a few years down the road. What was our net then? We moved up like 20 spots in exchange for a decent starting CB? Then we had to spend a number 28? Wrong.
It must be a value for a value. I see why the Bears balked. I know the Skins don't have many choices, but how about a McIntosh or a Rogers plus the move up the ladder? Now that makes sense. Or even a number one in 2008, plus a Rogers. They just got Macklin. I think CB is not a great need for them but if they still want Assante fine, but I would still think Rogers can be salvaged.
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