Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Snarf, Jan 29, 2008.
Haha, that still bugs me to this day.
I still can't believe it's not butter.
I know, I had a dream about that the other night. I never want to feel that pain again.
So true although Brady was slow in seeing him over there too. You can never get over plays which would have won you a SB (very likely in that case) but if we win this week it will be a lot easier to move on from last year - it will never be forgotten though. It's a shame too because Caldwell had a pretty decent season overall.
Agreed. As great is this season is, I still cannot overlook the pang that this team should really be going for a repeat right now.
Oh well. Que sera sera, or however that is spelled ...
19-0 will have to do.
CALDWELL'S drop is NOT why we lost. It's about 20th on the list.
Well it didn't help, did it?
in a game of making plays when it counts....Caldwell's drop is certainly in the top 10.
i would put it at Number....um.....One. the most unpatriot-like play i have EVER witnessed in a pressure situation. i think BB thought the same...and CUT HIM.
I have to agree with this. I wasn't psyched that he dropped that ball, but it was failure on a couple of different fronts. But think about the beauty in that loss: the Pats were one drive away from the Super Bowl - IN A REBUILDING YEAR.
Though losing doesn't feel good, it's amazing to think of it in that perspective.
Didn't Gaffney catch a TD on the next play?
He's talking about the other drop on the right sideline when the Colts had no-one at all covering him. The problem was it was so wide open, Caldwell and Brady weren't exactly sure what to do - even Belichick hadn't prepared them for the "what to do when no-one's covering you defense".
Without Caldwell the AFCCG is in San Diego.
It was a team failure. I don't want to go over it again as such, but I'll just leave it at that. One guy, one drop is not the problem. One guy, one catch is not the success. It's actually a team sport and the team collapsed that day while the Colts played an outstanding game.
Since we are rehashing this old issue, a couple of things:
1.) Caldwell isn't the reason the Pats lost that game, the Pats inability to stop Dallas Clark was far more the reason. Images of Eric Alexander getting torched by Clark haunt me more than Caldwell's drops. If the Pats defense didn't collapse in the second half, Caldwell's drops would have been irrelevant.
2.) Caldwell wasn't cut because of his drops. His lack of special teams playing did. He lost his spot to Kelly Washington because Washington plays special teams and pretty much has played special teams exclusively. If we didn't get one of Moss, Stallworth, or Welker during the offseason, odds were fairly good that Caldwell would have made the final 53 man roster.
whoa, how do you know? if they won last year's SB, would there have been the urgency to sign moss et al? without them, are we 19--0?
I agree. Football is the ultimate team sport and Caldwell had little responsibility in the Pats giving up a 15 point halftime lead or allowing the Colts to score 32 points in the second half. There was plenty of blame to go around in that game.
I agree with that. With a Super Bowl win, the strategy would definitely had changed especially since people feel that Adalius Thomas was signed specifically because Dallas Clark torched us so bad.
look on the bright side. if he didnt drop it, maybe we dont go out trade for moss and/or sign stallworth. plus im sure that loss has only added to the motivation for this amazing run
Which one? How about the one where Kelvin Hayden mauled him and no call was made? Also, as others have pointed out, Brady was late getting Caldwell the ball and there was a defender on his way and would have easily stopped Caldwell from getting to the goal line.
If you believe that Caldwell was the reason for the Pats losing the game last year, you are a bandwagoner who knows nothing about the game.
It was definately the worst feeling since Aaron *bleeping* Boone.
Then your a moron who doesn't understand the game at all. I mean, just IGNORE the fact that Caldwell also got mauled later without a PI being called on Kelvin Hayden. Also ignore that the defense gave up 38 points in the game. And lets just forget the interceptions Brady threw in that game as well.
The play that bothers me is the pass to Troy on 3rd down that was broken up, giving the Colts their last TD drive. Brown was supposed to adjust that route to an out-cut, and it would have been wide-freaking open. That would've been the first down, and most likely the game. Then the Pats would've torched the Bears.
Oh, well. You'll never hear a bad word about Troy Brown from me, so I certainly forgive him for it ...
4-points!! They could have used those points!
I just pretend that that whole game didn't happen.
It didn't happen.
I know it didn't happen.
Where did Reche Caldwell end up this year?
Last year, the Patriots got further than I expected. There was much less talent on the team.
And I think we were missing key defenders and it finally showed up in the 2nd half at the Colts game.
I think he was a Redskin this year.
He, and his eyes, are still a punchline on The Jim Rome Show.
I'm more frustrated with players like Champ Bailey and Desmond Howard making plays against NE than any Patriot players.
The play that bothers me the most is one that came before -- the 12 men in the huddle, which made it 1st and 15 instead of 1st and 10, in a situation where one first down basically wins the game. That was un-patriot like.
forgot the one where gaffney moved early and caused a penality moving has 10 yrds back right before the catch to cadwell...even with a depleted RB we would have eaten time running it down.
Of course Caldwell wasn't the reason we lost. But his play stands out as the "OMFG WTF" moment from that game.
Sorry, but Kelvin Hayden mauling him and not getting called stands out bigger in my mind. Caldwell would have caught the ball had he not been interfered with.
Also, the interceptions still loom larger than Caldwell dropping the 2nd one.
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