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  1. harveyw

    harveyw Practice Squad Player

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    So many here are getting ready to jump off the Tobin because we did not draft Harris or use both first rounders. This is rediculous! The odds that these players would step in immediately and contribute are slim. Yes, they would gain experience, but deferring our pick until next year is not the end of the world. We still have another what 8-9 picks? I do not think it is necessary to throw out names of those drafted during the second day that have turned out to be all-pro contributors.
     
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    BionicPatriot In the Starting Line-Up

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    It aint about instant impact. You draft for future need. It's not the end of the world, but when is skipping LBs and sticking with dead men in the LB core gonna stop? It cost us last year.
     
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    I would say are young LBs failed us last year so why would you want more of them.Better vets in BBs system
     
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    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Do you think Beioli skipped Harris, Posluszy, and the like for no good reason?
     
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    Belichick_The_Great Rookie

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    Apparently some of these guys think exactly that - go figure :confused:
     
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    Look, I love Beioli, but they aren't ALWAYS right. Bethel (f*cking) Johnson over Anquan Boldin comes to mind immediately, and there have been several more. The odds of Harris AND Posluszy both being busts are pretty low. One or both will probably become stars, and god forbid both do, they'll be smacking our RB's in the mouth for years to come. Terrible trade in my opinion, you have two #1's, you use them. Wilfork & Watson worked out, might as well try it again. I wish we had traded Deion for a #2, maybe we would have used it.
     
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    Belichick_The_Great Rookie

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    We'll use it, in the 1st round next year, likely to be a deeper draft.
     
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    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Using two #1's if the value is not there (Harris was drafted about 20 picks later) is naive, short-sighted, and quite frankly stupid.

    Are we seriously THAT impatient? Good Lord. This is getting crazy.

    Some people on here are so short-sighted it's not even funny. The Pats care about getting value for their picks. The fans care about not being bored and jealous for an afternoon.

    I would have thought what the Pats compared to what other teams have done in past years would translate into fans knowing they'd get the last laugh.

    I guess I was wrong.
     
  9. SWelker

    SWelker Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I just love how people want the Pats to draft players just for the sake of drafting players and keeping themselves busy. If they don't have a player rated high, why would they just draft him because they have the pick? Get another 1st rounder for next year, hope the Niners struggle, and take your chances on what should be a stronger draft class (it can't get much worse than this years).
     
  10. VJCPatriot

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    I didn't want Poz in the 1st since well before the draft. I said he was too small and unathletic for the Pats system. Looks like BB agreed. I thought that Harris was a 2nd round talent, and looks again like the Pats agreed and judging from where he got taken again the Pats brass was right.

    You guys are forgetting the reason that the Pats got Wilfork and Watson in the same year is EXACTLY because they did what they just did in this draft, rolled a pick forward into the future hoping for better value.

    Linebacker fanatics calm down. Zak DeOssie is still on the board and Day 2 brings a ton of picks. Not a lot of em are going to make this team but the ones that do should turn out pretty good.

    I'm thinking we'll see a linebacker, punter, runningback, cornerback, ol, and dl. We have what 9 picks so on Day 2 we can afford to take shots in the dark and hope we luck out and land a Marques Colston type of steal.
     
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    Who cares if Poz and Harris are good players? BB/SP felt that the better value was to trade the #28 pick and get a pick next year. I don't know if that draft is going to be deeper or not, but I think that San Fran won't be going to the NFC championship game; who knows? maybe we'll be in a position to draft a Willis type player next year because of this trade.

    I think the move was a good one, and we'll add even more quality players starting in round 3.
     
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    Brady to Brown 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Tsk Tsk, Belichick is perfect. How dare you question him.
     
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    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Just out of curiosity, did you scout any NFL players this past year for a profession football team?

    (None of us did!)
     
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    Better he wastes the pick on another T. Banta-Cain so Draftnicks can be happy.
     
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    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

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    Why not? Were you expecting NO's to be there last year? They were picking #2 last year. SF was picking #11 this year.

    It's the NFC -- anything can happen.

    Say what you want, but the simple fact is other teams are more improved RIGHT NOW than NE. That is what matters for 2007. 2008 could be another story, but I'd rather focus on winning the 2007 SB than the 2008 SB.
     
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    The Pats basically traded Deion Branch last year for a #1 next year plus a #4 this year. Thats a two year gap in return. I think that is why some people don't understand this move. SF will probably win 10 games so I would bet on a #22-25 pick in 2008. They are as good next year as Seattle was last year. That is for sure.

    I am not saying it was a bad move but does need to be investigated because (a) if deion branch was moved for a 2006 return player or signed, the Pats would have won the super bowl and (b) the Pats are the best team in the NFL next year I think and having a guy next year at this #28 pick could basically been icing on the cake and (c) a #28 this year provides more return to the 2008 team than a #20 in the 2008 draft.

    Obviously, BB/SP didn't like the linebacker from Penn State or Joe Staley or the LB from Michigan and didn't want to spend a pick on any of them. If thats the case, I trust their judgement. The management of the Patriots will not waste a pick for the sake of making the pick. I trust them. Good move.
     
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    No. Better he "wastes" the pick on a likely higher - possibly MUCH higher - 1st round pick in 2008.
     
  18. Michigan Dave

    Michigan Dave Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Bingo. A great decision. There's no need to pick just to pick.
     
  19. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

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    That may just be one of the most ignorant statements I've read all day.

    A close second.

    Great. Even more short-sighted than before. Let's get a pick now instead of later, because that player will help us now. Let's neglect the future. Fantastic.

    Finally some sense.
     
  20. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Damnit, I meant to give this a 5-star rating, not a 1-star rating.
     
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