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    I can't stand their holier than thou attitude, talking about being embarrassed to be a fan because Vinatieri got booed

    Ryan on Vinatieri

    Vinny knew what was up, straight from the horse's mouth:

    “The same ones that were booing at the end were going ‘Ahhh, you know, we still love you man,’” Vinatieri said with a smile after the game. “It’s all good, it’s gamesmanship or whatever you want to call it. I respect that. ... I understand the deal. That’s home field advantage that’s what you’re supposed to do, get loud, get rowdy and try to make it hard on the other team. You put your blinders on and just keep going forward.”
    -AV
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    Shank just writes anything that will get a rise. He is so predictable. He literally tries to think of ways to go against the grain and get a rise.

    Can't believe people still follow him, he'd be better suited for the national enquirer.
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    It's perfectly reasonable to root against Adam Vinatieri during the game then shake his hand at its conclusion and thank him for his part in bringing 3 Lombardi's to New England.

    Some people...
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    The talk radio hosts were saying the same sorts of things. It wasn't just the print guys.
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    Good sports journalism is on the wane, unfortunately. These days it's about stirring the pot to get noticed. We're all worse off as a result. Call me old-fashioned, but I miss the days when you needed to buy newspapers to be informed and "informing" was what the writers did vs. selling or entertaining.
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    their job is to create conteoversy and increase ratings, by what ever means possible ! how else can you explain ron borges and other espn folks to have jobs ??

    sad state of affair. let it go...
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    So were most of the former players turned mediots. For fans especially in this area loyalty is an imaginary one way street. Rodney did a scathing interview on radio this week about SD and how so many great players played there and were cast aside by an ownership that allows management to avoid consequence while treating heart and soul players like disposable crap. Spoke about how different the ownership and management approach was here. Sad thing is the fans in SD still revere guys who left it all on the field but couldn't get that franchise over the hump due to mismanagement. The idiot fans here can't seem to follow our enlightened management's lead here. Wouldn't be nearly as entitled if not for that guy they had to boo voraciously Sunday. Players, coaches, the owner know it. The idiots don't care because when they wouldn't reward him with a long term deal he did what he should and what all players in similar circumstances would, he went somewhere they would.

    Although I will say that Ryan and Shank have always had situational ethics when it comes to these kind of things. Shank in particular has made a career out of whipping up frenzies against them that resulted in driving great players out of this town.
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    The guy comes on the field for the Colts to kick a field to score points against the Patriots and we're supposed to *cheer* him?!?! Screw that!

    He left for money. Yeah, right. He wouldn't sign a long term contract with us. He forced us to franchise him two years in a row. He wanted to leave. Why should we be loyal to him when he wasn't loyal to us?

    The Boston media needs to get the story straight before making BS comments like that.
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    He'll be loved when he retires. Until then, boo away...
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    Thank God Vinatieri knows what's going on. The booing of him was good-natured and part of th game. It amazes me that dummies like Michael Felger make such a big deal out it. "The crowd's too soft!" "The crowd's too boring!" "All a bunch of pink hats!" Wah, wah wah. Then when the crowd is nice and loud and into the game, they complain about that too. Sheesh...
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    Guys like Ryan, Shank, Borges and Steve Buckley are quickly down-spiralling into a state of irrelevance. Their real disdain is largely toward the Patriots fan-base, although Shank hates the Krafts and Borges feels the same toward Belichick. An ex-player mediot who has morphed into a real dink in the past year is Lou Merloni. Lou knows baseball, but he's really sort of stupid in general. Unfortunately, his self-assessment relfects an opinion opposite of that. One plus about Lou is that if you text him on his show in a critical manner, he'll bite right on the air. More than a little thin-skinned.
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    Fans weren't booing, they were yelling NOONAN
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    Says the pot to the kettle. Adam was not franchised two years in a row. He was franchised twice in his career, signing a 3 year extension a week after being franchise the first time. We franchised him in 2005. We didn't in 2006. We didn't offer him a long term contract thereafter, although we supposedly were willing to once someone else did. We offered him a series of worthless one year salary only deals that would have allowed us to cut him before he ever saw a nickle even in that first season. A competitor with a dome that would likely extend his career offered him a 5 year deal with $7.5M guaranteed... He didn't want to leave, this FO simply put him in a position where he'd have been foolish not to. After they played hardball with him because they though they could.

    I got news for you. If they pulled that crap with Tom or any of our other heros they'd have done the same thing. In fact many of them not to mention a few others did chose to leave when they felt under appreciated or valued here. Sometimes hindsight proved the team made the better choice. In others it was a wash, although the player got paid what he felt he was worth and as with all individual career choices that more often than not trumps being loyal to a bottom line business who isn't loyal to any individual to a fault.
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    Adam knows that a high percentage of morons that attend Patriot games now a days are largely fringe fans of sports as entertainment. He'll have the last laugh when Kraft clowns them all when he holds Vinatieri day and Adam is inducted into the Patriots HOF and BB waxes poetic about his money kicker who clearly belongs in the Hall at Canton, too. Of course there will still be some knuckledraggers who attend the local festivities just to boo and express their passionate opinion about traitors...and they will be clogging the airwaves because they are the moron demographic that drives the same media who mocks them and whom they claim to detest.
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    So then why the hell do you pay attention to them?
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    Sorry Mo - I didn't know you were a personal friend of AV and knew what he was thinking. Seems to me he is a competitive athlete who went to a competitor and understands that will cause him some temporary boos whenever he comes here. He doesn't have any hard feelings over it. Why do you?
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    Probably Mo's ancestors got their panties in a wad when the new United States after the War of Independence refused to embrace and cheer Benedict Arnold's memory, because after all he had been a great general for the Colonies when he was originally fighting on their side.
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    Mo's not friends with him. He refers of most of the guys on the team by their first name. For example, Mo is on a first name basis with Belichick. ;)
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    No arguments with your post.

    1) Vinatieri made the right move - kicking in a Dome and getting bigger bucks was the smart way for him to go for himself. He also picked up a ring.

    2) The Patriots FO made the right move also - they got a better kicker for the years 2006+ at a lot less money.
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    Sorry, I'm not going to boo the guy who made that kick in the snow against Oakland and the 48 yarder for the SB win.

    He left seven years ago, get over it. Red Sox fan mentality.

    I'm not going to click on the article either
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    The Pats have played hardball with Welker also and I think that one is going to hurt when it is all said and done. The Pats do try to keep as many quality pieces in place without paying them what they can get elsewhere and in truth they have been able to work with TB cause he is happy here and well paid.

    There is much that the Pats do in their offense because when it gets to 3rd and long, they have Welker. Welker is not the scoring machine that Gronk and Hernandez can be. He is not the wide out that Lloyd is and he not a dashing and daring runner after the catch like Edelman. However, when it is 3rd and long, nobody is better at getting open right at the sticks as Welker is. He will gain enough separation for TB to stick it in there. He may go straight to ground to make sure he can wrap the ball up but he will be open enough for the QB, will catch it and keep the drive going. Yea I know there is that catch that he did not make in the SB but I would still put that on both TB and Welker. Edelman is feast or famine....flashier than Welker by far but not somebody you can rely on like Welker. Need to put together enough of a drive to get Gronk or Hernandez in position to work their magic.

    So I know that the Pats get away with playing hardball with guys they think are replaceable. I think not reciprocating in some form when Welker made such an obvious move to signal his desire to be here and his willingness to do a hometown deal really left both sides in an odd place. Welker may have no option at this point. Being franchised on the surface does not appear to be a bad deal for the player but it does sort of leave the player wondering about his future after the franchise year and I think Welker thought the Pats saw enough value in him to make him feel like he was part of their future plans. I guess not but I would start to worry about what they are going to do 3rd and long without Welker cause they don't have anybody else that does what he does and Kevin Faulk is not walkin' through that door. That defense may end up starting to spend a lot more time on the field without Welker keeping drives going as well.
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    Indeed. People drew comparison to Johnny Damon signing with the Yankees when AV left. Leaving for a decent payday, extending your career in the process, and possibly making it to the HOF in no way compares to a reasonably decent outfielder going to the Red Sox' mortal enemy. IF Adam were to make it into the HOF, the residual $$ would be much larger than if he were "Adam Vinatieri, 3 time SB champion". It was a no-brainer. I'll never boo the guy. He did what he had to do, as did the franchise. I would say it's worked for both parties.
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    Interesting factoid re., Adam: He no longer kicks off, yet they had him try a near-60-yarder at the end of the half Sunday. I don't know how long he's been on FG/PAT duty exclusively, but it's a pretty sure bet the Patriots wouldn't keep a kicker like that.

    If I recall correctly, didn't New England make him a reasonable offer to stay, only to be outbid by Indy? Seems to me that Polian inflated his worth to tweak the Pats.
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    I can't recall an exact number of years, but Vinatieri has been doing that for a while now.
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    If ya' got three SB rings in hand, it might be tough to justify paying for the ultimate field goal kicking assassin at that point. The Colts were if nothing else looking for a way to get on the other side of that equation. I can't really blame either side, the Pats or AV. It just worked out that way.

    I do think the Pats could have and should have found a different path to Welker though. Considering what Welker ultimately did, he must have been signaling a willingness to work with the Pats all along. The Pats sorta' kicked him in the rear end for his efforts and I think just left it in an impossible place from which to go forward. I could be wrong but I bet Welker can do what he does best for another three years without any real drop off. What he does best is not as hard to find as a TB but it is really hard to find. Welker compliments the other Pats offensive pieces so well also.
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    Pay no attention to the senile man ( Ryan) behind the curtain.

    Did he not recently complain about the NFL scheduling conspiracy with the Pats/ Colts without even knowing scheduling is done years in advance.
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    I believe that they made him a reasonable offer to stay, and even wanted to try to match any offer he got, and he didn't give them a chance and jumped ship. That's fine, his prerogative, and people have laid out the reasons here why he made the right move. I'm pretty sure it was a tweak at the Pats and Indy got the added bonus of replacing their "liquored up" kicker with one who didn't choke and shank it in crunch time. Remember, AV has one more SB ring than TB.

    I don't hate AV. I appreciate what he did here, and if I ran into him in the street I would shake his hand and thank him for what he did here. But when he lined up to kick that long FG on Sunday, towards the EZ where I was sitting for this game, did I boo lustily and long? Hell, yes! It's called situational football, folks. Remember our friend Bill plays it all the time? I am a Pats homer. I am not a knuckledragger or a Red Sox whiner, thank you very much.
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    Better remains to be seen (beyond the kickoffs which have been mitigated somewhat by the rules change) and he's costing us top dollar, $3M+, and has been since 2010. The Colts use their punter on kickoffs but it's a wash as he earns about what Zoltan does and he's pretty darned good as a multitasker.

    Gostkowski was inexpensive as a 4th round draft pick out of the gate, although Adam as an UDFA was even moreso early in his career. The extension Gostkowski signed thereafter was for 5 years and $15.79m with $5M guaranteed. The deal Adam signed in 2006 was for 5 years and $12M with $3.5M guaranteed. He was extended in 2011 on a 3 year $10M deal with $3.5M guaranteed although he's all salary from here on out and took a $500K pay cut this season as a 40 year old kicker on a rebuilding team. They both missed half a season due to injury after signing their big long term deals.

    Some trust issues seem to poke their head out from time to time to date, hopefully those will never truly bite us in the ass. Never did with Adam on Belichick's watch. I fault neither the player nor the team for what transpired. Each did what they believed was in their best interest and seemed to have trived in the aftermath. I do believe this is one of those times however when they regretted what transpired albeit too late to do anything about it beyond move on.

    When Gostowski is a UFA again in 2015 at age 32 we shall see how his career plays out and whether he decides to be just another traitor. If so it'd be nice if he leaves us with a legacy of vaulting us into a superbowl contention and 3 rings let alone all won by the margin of a FG and two in the closing seconds.

    Whereas a healthy smattering of boos whenever Samuel takes the field would not seem out of line to me. I know he tortured Peyton a time or two, but at one time just being in this area code did. Another Manning, not so much... Asante was more the player along for the ride who wanted a lot more than he was worth. Which is why they never lamented not even trying to extend him past his franchise season, which in itself was a mistake since they'd have far been better off in the long and short haul flipping him.
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    For me, it has nothing to do with money. Here's what I remember.


    When Adam came back the first time, he was booed on his first kick and he missed it. Whether it's true that it got to him or not, I've been booing away since then, not because I hate him. I'm booing because it might bother him and he might miss.... kind of a superstition at this point.

    If he moves to the Browns, I'll boo him...why?, because he might miss again.


    Now, Adam will be in at least the Pats HOF someday and I'll vote for him. That doesn't mean I want to play nice and encourage him to make a field goal against the Pats.


    P.S. Adam gets booed like he does because it's that one play where it's success or failure. Positional players make and miss plays all game long. For Adam, it's a point of focus and opportunity to fvck with his head.
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