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  1. Steamer86

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    We would have kicked their ass. Seriously, I don't think they would have scored. I just had to get that off my chest. Sey would have set the tone by headbutting Ditka before the game and then we would have laid the smack down.
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    You mean the 85 Bears not the 86 bears. Either way, it's a moot point since they're from a different era.
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    Boy are you wrong. I went to that SB. Everything just came together for them. They were unbeatable that year. Just awesome, over the top awesome. Defense was over the top. Offense, well, what was it 45 points.

    Yep, if we could play them, I would LOVE to see that game. But it obviously cannot happen so we will never know. But to make light of that team is just not facing reality.
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    You mean it's a "moot" point.
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    Yup, thanks for the correction.
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    That 45 was as much about an unprepared inept NE team and everything falling apart in a game...
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    Lightningbolt do you post in the Gamefaqs Sports and Racing - NFL section at all?
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    You can't match up teams from different eras. Too many variables. Any team with Walter Payton would have scored some points. The Bears averaged 29 points a game during the regular season and 30 a game in the playoffs and you think they wouldn't score? :rofl:

    The 85 Bears team dominated the playoffs like no team in NFL history. They are the gold standard.

    Their playoff scores:

    21-0
    24-0
    46-10

    91-10 differential!

    They allowed 3.3 freaking points per playoff game. They finished 18-1 and destroyed their playoff competition like no other team in NFL history.
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    I'd rank 70s Steelers, 90s Cowboys and late 80s 49ers ahead of 85 Bears.
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    The Bears beat the Tony Eason led Pats in the SB, and shut out the Deiter Brock led Rams in the NFC Championship....The current Pats would lay 50+ on those teams - even accounting for inflation...
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    None of those teams dominated a season like the Bears did. The Bears played their best when it mattered, in the playoffs and the Superbowl. You can't compare teams across eras, all you can do is look at what they did against the competition they faced. There are too many variables to make any meaningful head to head comparisons.
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    Nope. I mainly post in this section.
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    I think the OP wished it was a mute point.
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    The Bears averaged 30 in the playoffs and gave up 3. That's a 27 point differential per playoff game. The Pats played their best ball in the first part of the regular season. The Bears played their best ball in the playoffs and Superbowl dominating the best competition.
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    The 2007 Miami Dolphins would beat the '85 Bears. The guys are so much bigger today.
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    The Dolphins spread their offense and soundly beat the Bears. Those Bears would have no answer for this Patriot team. In addition, let this Patriot defense play under the same rules in which that Bears team played and I'm not sure how much Jim McMahon and company is going to keep up with Brady. Different eras, but the Patriots are the ones who went undefeated (forecasting) while the Bears did not. The margin of victory also considerably favors N.E.
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    Unprepared yes. Inept no. John Hannah was on D& C this morning and said the '85 Pats had won nine games in a row under Grogan that year relying primarily on the run. The playoffs culminated in a 31-14 win in MIA in the AFCCG where, amazingly, he said the Pats rushed less than ten times the entire game! He said most of the players were ecstatic that Grogan was cleared as healthy for the SB and wanted him to start ahead of Eason. The coaches saw it differently and panicked. They decided to go away from what had got them there and come out pass happy in the SB with Eason slinging it around. You know the rest of the story. Very interesting prospective from a former all time greast player.
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    I wonder what the 2007 Dolphins would do to the Packers dynasty of the 60's then? Send them home crying with bloody noses?
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    The measure of a team is what they do in the playoffs.

    Margin of victory is not even close in the playoffs comparing Pats vs Bears. The Bears had a 27 point differential per game.
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    How freaking stupid is that?!? It's the '85 Bears first of all. Second, times and technology have definitely changed the way players are trained and healed. Are you serious? It's like saying that Steven Hawking would whoop Albert Einstein in a science fair. How can you compare? Those '85 Bears and others that came before today's NFL paved the way for today's players and their success.:bricks:
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    Brady would've picked apart the 46 defense.
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    I think 1985 was a very down year in NFL. Skins, Giants, Dallas and San Fran were all 10-6. Good, but certainly nothing to write home about that year. Rams were next best team in NFC with 11 wins and making it to the NFC championship with Deiter Brock at QB.
    2007 was a year that had an unusually large number of good teams. From the AFC, the Colts, Jags, Chargers and Steelers were all better than that Rams team. Even the 07 Browns may have been better than squad...in the NFC Dallas, GB were very good all year and obviously the Giants were high quality in NFC this year ..and as much as I hate to say it, that Pats team was one of the worst teams to make the bowl with Eason and Berry running the show. So I really think we beat tougher opponents this year and they had a relatively easy ride in 1985-86. I think they could be shut down with Willie "Bethel Johnson/Tony Simmons" Gault and Dennis McKinnon as their big threats.

    That said, they did dominate that season on defense. I guess I just can't stand Ditka and his bully attitude. I am glad that Buddy Ryan (another jerk) gets a lot of the credit. It pisses Ditka off. I can't wait for next year when Tedy retires and gets hired by ESPN and they do their little football lesson on that mini field and Ditka plays Antonio Gates going over the middle and Bruschi lays him out, but then of course offers him a hand up....
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    That was a sad year for the SB for me. I felt that ruined the pats reputation nationally for a long time - til the bledsoe era.

    One thing to note about the Bears scoring over 30 a game is that their defense was really so good. Not only did it put up a lot of points per game; but it put their offense on a short field position so often.

    It would be an interesting game to have them face each other. But as someone else said comparisons of different eras is impossible - the players are bigger and faster today. (course they took more steroids back then so they might have been stronger then ;) )
    ...... I would think that since the only team that beat them was Miami's passing offense - and our passing offense is statistically better than Marino's that Pats would be able to hold their own offensively. I think our Defense today would deal with sweetness and mcmahon better than the 86 crew did.

    But who knows - back then you could mug the receivers more than you can today too. would that help us or hurt us - :D
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    Haha..nice analogy. Times have changed, rules have changed, technology has changed etc. You are absolutely right, you just can't compare across eras.
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    The common theme here seems to be "you can't compare teams from different eras," which is all well and good except that people do that all the time. The constantly repeated phrase this year has been "are the pats the greatest team of all-time?" with endless discussions of that, so while obviously the teams can't play, the discussion can and does take place.

    So in that spirit, I'll play along. The '85 Bears were NOT unbeatable that year--they got beat. And I have little doubt that the Pats would beat them as well, in much the same fashion, at least offensively. Defensively, these Pats are better, and better coached, than that Miami team, so I don't think it would be as close.
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    That's what Mike Ditka said a number of weeks ago on the ESPN pre- game. He said they would have spread us out with 4-5 wides and Brady would have "picked us apart". Our D would have easily contained that Bear offense too. As good as they were , the '07 Patriots would have won that game going away IMO.
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    it's always difficult to compare the NFL dated 1985 with today's NFL

    surely 1985 CHI Bears were the best team (it was impossible for us to win it) and their defense was one of the best i remember

    but, again, i do not think we can compare; just my opinion
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    I think its fair to say that Brady would pick apart the '85 Bears playing the 4-6 defense. I just don't think any coach today would put that exceptional group of players in the 4-6. Their front 4 was exceptional at penetrating all by themselves. That's a tremendous foundation to build on. Now add in those Linebackers.

    What put them near the top as a unit might have been some temporary 4-6 smoke and mirrors, but even if they played the 10-1, 1-10 or even the 'everyone just do whatever you feel like doing' defense, they would have been formidable. Too much talent.
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    That defense was obviously talented, but I think it was the new 46 scheme that made them so tough at the time. After a year or so, offenses caught up with it and it wasn't so tough any more.

    You have to give Ryan credit for being ahead of everyone for a year or so, but the fact they couldn't sustain it showed it was more of a flash in the pan. Now that history has figured out the 46 and more or less discredited it, even if you could somehow adjust the Bears players sizes up to today's standards, NE would pick apart that defense. There's really no way to out-scheme the Pats offense in a SB with 2 weeks to prepare.
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    This was actually put to the test the following year. Buddy Ryan left after SB20 to coach the Eagles so Vince Tobin became the Bears' DC for the '86 season. Vince scrapped the 46 in favor of more conventional 4-3 defenses. The '86 Bears D surpassed the '85 D statistically in both yards allowed and points allowed as the team went 14-2 almost exclusively on the back of the D due to the offensive struggles that season (QB issues galore). Indeed that D was talented.

    What people forget is that in both years the CBs were mediocre. A team with a good passing game that could give their QB time could pick on that secondary. Miami did it in '85 and Washington did it in the Bears' first playoff game the following year. The 2007 Pats' offense is tailor-made to attack the '85/'86 Bears D.

    Regards,
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