Discussion in 'The PatsFans.com Pub' started by sieglo, Nov 24, 2008.
I recommend others do the same. Stop the insanity.
I wish ian would give me the power to ban them.
i may say it but I dont mean it. I deal with people saying "trade Brady " with something stupid back. It is the only way i can deal with the so called lets trade Brady for fun threads. Its NOT fun!!!!
Relax guys the thread today was just for fun.
I doubt anybody here truly would want to see us trade him.
I agree, anyone who says "Trade Brady" is not a serious fan.
We should just cut him.
will do, they are :banned:
this makes me embarrassed to even be on this forum with these knuckle heads
what is worse is having Faulk and prime saying ...
what if they went to the SB with Cassel and Brady comes back not 100%, you just never know
...come on man.
How i see it? The position has always be open to the best man for the job,. So far that has been Brady, and you can't blame Cassel for not being as good as he has not had near the time in required.
I accept the premise of their argument, the job goes to the QB that gives us the best opportunity to win. So far this has authoritatively been Brady. Matt has a ways to go yet, but he is finally getting his shot, and for this I am happy....
Don't bother. If Cassel has one bad - or even mediocre - game, the same posters will be calling him overrated and say we shouldn't bother franchising him.
If the Patriots do trade Brady it is because BB believes Brady's injury is more serious than would be noticed by the receiving team's pre-trade physical.
If you think think Brady is going to have the kind of lingering problems that mean he never plays more than 7 games in the same season again, grabbing a 1st and 2nd is a great deal even if the guy is Canton bound.
I am getting a better understanding of why Patjew took an exodus out of here.
Some of the threads are ridiculous. This one is a prime example.
Well I am sorry that I thought they should have traded Kyle Brady rather than just letting him go, put me on ignore if you feel so strongly about our TE situation...
Well, I guess I'm going to be cut or banished. I don't agree with this thread. What is wrong with a thread in which logically asks what you could get for a current member of the Patriots roster? It goes on all the time, when a player, whether convict or malcontent gets cut from another roster it will appear on a thread as soon as it hits the wires. If you think Brady is untouchable, fine, but what's the problem equating his trade worth to a Herschell Walker or Jim Plunkett trade. I think its kind of laughable how some members spew venom then jump on the proverbial band wagon when a player, coach or team comes through.
The funny thing is that these were probably the same people who two months ago wanted the Pats to sign Daunte Culpepper and bench or cut Cassel.
Make sure you put Cold, Hard Football Facts on Ignore as well.
Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Cassel on fire; Brady on the trading block?
The facts have changed now, haven't they.
Me ? I Franchise Cassel and I welcome offers for either of our starting QB and I see what comes in. 95+% I trade Cassel but everyone has his price.
I never wanted to cut Cassel, or sign any of the qb's on the numerous posts that showed up in the first six weeks. Nor did I want to dump BB, fire our OC, sell my season tickets (which I don't have), tank the season, cut Seymour, start O'Connell, or any other sophomoric threads that have polluted this board. Simply, what is Brady's worth and what will Cassell's be at the season's end, and what could you get for either of them.
Oh that is such blasphemy, I'm sure I'll get suspended.
I don't think he left (I HOPE he didn't) because of somebody suggesting something about the Patriots that he didn't agree with. It probably had to have done with certain people's behavior.
If threads suggesting the possibility of trading a player away really gets to you this badly, I think you need to get out more.
ok ok ok OKAY!!!
look, i deleted the thread about Brady. i realize its just too close to the nerve for many people in here. and of course, we are in the midst of an exciting season.
i thought it would be fun to play GM for a sec. and i really dont think its a stupid hypothetical to consider. im pretty sure that BB/SP will think about all options depending on how things turn out at the end of the year (ie Cassel performance, Brady progress, market offers)
thanks JSn. that article states what i was wondering. in a fun hypothetical sense.
Yeah, there's nothing like the intellectual spirit of "putting on ignore" or "banning" those who dare to suggest something you disagree with. I guess that's the real life equivilent of putting your hands over your ears and running from the room screaming "nanana I'm not listening!"
As someone who started a very serious minded thread looking for some conversation about where Cassel was/Brady's health/possibilities for next year that was met with hysterical screeching, I would say the biggest problem on this board is NOT those who bring up remote possibilities to discuss, but the hysterics who try to shout down (with painfully bad one-liners and hostility) open conversation.
That's the card you guys always play... It's not us freethinkers, it's the tight asses who can't think outside the box...LOL
It's not about being intellectually challenged by nitwits, it's about being driven to distraction by their idiotic inane kneejerk threads...
A little extreme. Fans can talk about the question, but if they are dead serious about it they probably need to look at a few more data points. I have been in the camp of "put some faith in Belichick and his decision to start Cassel" since the beginning, but I have not jumped on the "hitch your wagon to the star" crowd as far as Cassel goes. It will take a lot more data to put me with that crowd.
For all the drama aficionados who jump to anoint every solid performer as the next best thing (see Green-Ellis and his 100-yard game and ask why he disappeared when Morris returned) I ask this - where is Cassel playing lights out with the game on the line? How much does that matter to Belichick? The fact is Brady has demonstrated composure on the grandest of stages and pushes the team to do the same with his track record and personality. Cassel made one throw to Moss to tie a game after a number of bad throws to kill the prior drive against the Jets.
A QB performance depends at some level on supporting cast (superstars can make an okay group good but a good group great - mediocrity can make a great group good). For all those looking at QB rating and comparing Brady and Cassel, the quality of the receiving corps for those two years are not in the same universe. Ask about the basis on which Belichick assembled a cast of no names in 2006 and how those no-names could get to the conference championship (can you say Brady and his abilities?) and why the receiving corps was completely overhauled the next year to the results produced (can you say a QB can only carry a substandard cast so far but an outstanding QB can take a great cast to surreal levels, like last year?).
I believe, Belichick being as he is, this topic may come up in the organization if Cassel can get this team anywhere. With that said, it is one thing to back Mr. Right Now and another to cast aside a proven winner at age 32 (after an injury that may impair his future ability to run - not a Brady strength during his career so likely not the end) after a single season. Cast all the hypotheticals you want, Cassel will be leaving after the season. I for one will enjoy Cassel's season while he is here and treat it as such, hoping he makes his big payday next year for the entertainment he has provided.
Gee, that makes too much sense, vs I'll put you on ignore.
Of course the other angle is, what if Cassell continues to improve his game and the Patriots win out the regular schedule. The point of all of my posts on the subject: with a very good qb in Cassell (assuming he continues to play great) what could the Patriots reap with a trade of Brady/Cassell. In the case of Brady, I think you could get three top defenders and therefore have the best defense in the league and possibly a shot at the best defense of all time to go with a potent offense. All assumptions, which is the gravy of this forum.
Thanks for the example...."nitwits", etc. You are consistently one of the best (worst) examples of someone who spends more time complaining about other posts than you do discussing football.
Yup--I pretty much agree with everything here........actual points made.
good for you....???
I don't think you read my post well. People suggesting trades does not bother me in the least. What I stated was that starting a thread to give voice to ones personal thought of "ignoring" those that do was a ridiculous thread. Who really cares that someone is going to ignore another for proposing the presumed preposterous.
My point was that it may be threads like this that hastened Patjews departure. Some of you may not be aware of this....but there has been a substantial MIA of some of the old ones that put up some damn good threads.
Now we have to settle for the inane, repetitive and ego driven.
well put. i bet patjew couldnt have said it better.
personally, my preferences in order are:
1. Inane -- at least someone is trying, even if limited logic or experience
2. Repetitive -- gets tedious but can be easily ignored eg josh mcdaniels bashing
3. Egodriven -- the worst, practiced typically by a few members, demeaning others with a holier than thou tone. usually uses words like idiot, delusional, chicken little, waste-of-thread
luckily, this is just a message board! in real life, im pretty sure i am not spending time with ppl in groups 1,2,3
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