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    Let's have a fun exercise -- if you were a defensive coordinator going against a Pats passing game facing this tandem, how would you work to stop it?

    I'm genuinely unsure you could defeat this passing threat, unless you had a 2007 Giants caliber pass rush and the Pats do nothing to upgrade the o-line this off-season.

    Anyway, thoughts?
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    They wouldn't cover Moss or T.O. Why the need?
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    Double cover Moss, T.O. And Welker.

    Get gashed by the run and Edelman will be wide open.
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    Wait for Neal to get hurt and then hit Brady on every pass attempt.
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    I'm not sure how this offense would be defensed either, aside from hitting Brady on every single down (which is not going to happen).
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    That offense would be amazing if it worked out perfectly, TO did nothing wrong in Buffalo. The last time I really saw anything on him doing questionable stuff was that "reality" TV show. But I mean you can't really blame him for that, it's an easy way to get paid. I don't think he would be a distraction or locker room cancer at all.
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    He's never a distraction in his first season. With us, that would most likely be his only season.
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    Landmines might slow it down some?! :eek:
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    I'd like to point out that even if we got TO, we'd still be without Welker.
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    Not for the whole season. On top of that, the acquisition of a WR the calibur of Owens would offset the need to get Welker back into top form as soon as humanly possible. Essentially Welker coming back in would be a luxery.
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    I guess it depends on how great TO can perform.
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    I cannot say that I am a big fan of T.O. but I sure would like to see TB throwing to him in a game just a teensy little bit. Having him opposite Moss would make it doubly sweeeeeet................ :cool:
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    I forgot about that. If T.O is brought here, Welker can take all the time he needs to be 100%, and not rushed. Moss, T.O, and Edelman would be plenty o firepower.
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    The only people that would have doubts about T.O.'s ability to compete are those who've been harboring some personal vendettas about him, and they shouldn't be listened to anyway. He was still pretty good last year considering what he had to work with in Buffalo.
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    More importantly...what number would he wear?

    would he and moss play rock paper scissors for 81?

    will he buy moss a shiny new bentley for 81?

    would he not get 81 at all and whine about it all season and throw TB under the bus at week 12?

    Ha. Just messing around. T.O. has been a play maker in his 1st year with new teams so I wouldnt mind that acquisition if we could trade him after year 1. But the looming lockout in 2011 might mess that up
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    TO has left just about every team on bad terms. I dont care what he brings athletically to a team, This isnt Madden. The locker room does matter. And the last thing this team needs is a sulking, self-centered diva creating discord.
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    I am on the fence bigtime in regards to Owens but I would LOVE to see the fan reaction here if we were to actually sign him to the Patriots. That would be classic!
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    Would he be a locker room distraction if it's determined he's 36 (37 in December) and just isn't very good anymore?
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    Just throwing out ideas..

    Since it's hypothetical, let's say you have 2009 pre-ACL tear Welker, so he needs a lot of attention. Like this past season, since we didn't have a legit 3rd option, I thought a team like the Jets should've just put Revis on Welker wherever he went b/c no one else could contain him. I think if they put their #1 CB (Revis) on Welker and just doubled Moss with Lito and Rhodes on every play, they would've fared better against us in Foxboro. Adding TO in obviously gives the Pats a better third option on offense.

    I'll try to use the Chargers D as an example.

    Put Jammer on T.O. and press him at the line. Get physical with him and frustrate him. Has always had trouble getting off jam cleanly (that's why Springs has given him fits in the past).

    Put Cromartie in the slot on Welker. Bigger than Welker but just as fluid/quick. Can press him at the line and stay with him pretty well in and out of Welker's cuts.

    Put Cason and Ellison on Moss aka double Moss. Have Cason consistently jam Moss at the line b/c Randy doesn't like to get all that physical. Have Ellison basically shade Moss' side of the field on every play. Let Weddle play centerfield.

    That commits 5 guys to coverage in a 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB set, and 6 guys up front (4 LB, 2 DL). Bring a lot of exotic blitz packages with guys constantly moving around before the snap. Burnett (mostly for coverage), Merriman, Phillips, and English. Only have Castillo and Williams as the two down lineman.

    You'd need to overwhelm this OL like Rex Ryan does with a ton of blitzing and physical play from your corners. Putting your CB's in a lot of man to man press coverage so it takes longer for the WR's to run their routes, bring 5 or 6 rushers consistently, collapse the pocket, and pound the crap out of Brady. You could do a lot of overload blitzing b/c we run a lot of shotgun plays and don't have 2 TE in that often. Also the double A-gap blitz would be pretty effective due to Koppen's knack for getting blown up and overpowered at times.

    Idk..it was just something that popped into my head.
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    I would be just fine having TO on the Pats .... as well as Ochocinco
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    Look, as long as we can get some footage of TO lifting weights in his driveway in North Attleboro, I'll be happy.
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    same way the Giants covered stallworth, Gaffney, Moss, and Welker.
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    One of the television shows did a segment on T.O., focusing on how his play had slipped. He was struggling to get separation from opposing corners, and he's lost some of his explosion in his first step. He can be covered with #2 CBs now. He'd still be an upgrade over Aiken, but this isn't the T.O. that teams used to worry about.

    Father time is catching up to Mr. Owens.
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    Yeah this is what I was talking about. I believe it was NFL Live, but I'm not 100% sure.
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    haha sounds about right.
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    All of this is true, but I saw Owens beat Revis deep. The pass was overthrown, and Owens wasn't too open, but he did have a step and a half on him.

    Granted, I also watched Owens get shutdown by plenty of corners this season. His biggest games came against corners that nobody has ever heard of.
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