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  1. Sean Pa Patriot

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    Its safe to say that this is the biggest off season in recent yrs for the Pats... The biggest need is to get younger and faster in the LB and Secondary. The need for a playmaker in the passing game is a need as well. But if Bruschi retires, we need to draft or sign a lb that is able to start week 1.. The pats need to take advantage of having both Brady and Belichick in there prime, because these yrs coming up are Brady's best yrs for a QB.. By focusing on the three area's of need ,we should be fine for yrs to come..
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    Also Montey Beisel and Chad Brown type LB's are not allowed to be signed..
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    Or Eric Warfield, Duane Starks, types.. Doug Gabriel... etc.
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    I didn't want to make another thread, but I had a question? I've heard and read different cap numbers.I've read 34 million under the cap.30 million under the cap and also read 3.4 million. Does anyone know a exact figure?
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    All of the DBs drafted by BB -- name the 6-footers? :cool:

    Willie Andrews
    Ellis Hobbs
    James Sanders
    Guss Scott
    Dexter Reid
    Christian Morton
    Eugene Wilson
    Asante Samuel
    Brock Williams
    Hakim Akbar
    Leonard Myers
    Antwan Harris
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    ......... Andre Davis!
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    http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
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    Where have you been? The Patriots ARE YOUNG in the secondary, already.

    In spite of all the caterwauling the Linebacking is younger than it has been and will get even younger next season. If the Pats weren't six years in to a dynasty, they would be considerd the NEXT BIG COMING WINNER, as a fan pointed out. Consider that there are six safeteis including five with extensive starting expereince under thirty. There are three starting CBs under thirty with extensive starting experience. Its true we have ex-veteran starters as reserves, but that is preferable rather than raw rookies when you have to call on them.

    Belichick confirmed that has been a conscious, guiding principle.
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    Belichick obviously likes quickness over size in his DBs. I'm hoping that leads to Brandon Merriweather coming here :)

    I don't see why this is a huge offseason. We have a few needs but we can let the offseason come to us, we have cap money and draft choices.
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    Funny, I only count two safeties on the Patriots roster who have extensive starting experience on defense under the age of 30:

    James Sanders
    Eugene Wilson

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/roster?team=nwe
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    DBs are shorter because it's a more difficult skill to stick with a WR than for a WR who knows where he's going. A tall, gangly DB would not have the athleticism or quickness to be able to cover top WR. A shorter, more compact DB is does. The quickness and athleticism of a DB is just more difficult.
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    :confused:

    Quickness is more important than ever. The days of bigger DBs being physical at the line are gone. Now that they're gone (at least for now), all the DBs have to challenge the WR is quickness to the ball.
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    The Safteys need the next Rodney...
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    How is it that every year is labeled at the biggest off season in recent years? In my opinion, we had far more holes to deal with last year than this one.
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    The Patriots need a playmaking free safety, not one chasing Jerricho Cotchery down the field.
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    I agree. In addition, ball skills (playing the ball), athleticism (quicks, speed, vertical jump) are all important to playing the CB position. Referring to the list, some of the CBs were 4.4 guys and had impressive vertical jumps:

    Willie Andrews
    Ellis Hobbs (4.4's VJ)
    James Sanders
    Guss Scott
    Dexter Reid
    Christian Morton
    Eugene Wilson
    Asante Samuel
    Brock Williams (4.4's Combine-best VJ)
    Hakim Akbar
    Leonard Myers
    Antwan Harris (4.4's Combine-best VJ)
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    Plus the FAs, Starks, Hawkins (originally a cb), Poole.. all 5'2, 5'3

    I don't think our dbs were an issue this year, and BB seems to like smaller smaller, faster guys on the edge (period).

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    Brandon Merriweather, damn it :)
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    Character counts with Bill Belichick. There is no way the Patriots will select a gun carrying, leg stomping, gang banger. Michael Griffin is the long term solution at free safety. Now if, for some miracle or divine intervention, Reggie Nelson fell to the New England Patriots with the 24th overall selection ..........................
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    Hawkin is 29; Gay has played Safety as well as CB. Mitchell is primarily a ST safety but he does have some starting expereince in regular defense as well. and as you say we can add Sanders and Geno. Most teams carry only four or five Safeties, so we were three past the usual definition of "depth" due to injury.

    Scott,Tebuckey and Harrison provide depth. All are ex-starters and much better than having to play inexperienced players like an Andrews or Baker.
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    Check my thread on the Draft Board, there's serious question about whether Merriweather is the bad guy some make him out to be.
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    This is the biggest offseason in recent years because (1) there are few high quality free agents, (2) most teams are well under the cap and will resign their own quality players, (3) we don't have many upper echelon players to resign, and (4) we have no obvious openings where a rookie can step in and contribute, and the back end of the roster has gotten a lot younger.

    Big, big offseason coming up!
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    Hawkins is 30 years old, Chad Scott is 32 years old, Tebucky Jones is 32 years old. Mel Mitchell is a special teams player and James Sanders will be ahead of him on the depth chart next year at strong safety. There is no guarantee that Tebucky Jones or Mel Mitchell will be on the roster next year.

    Randall Gay is a restricted free agent and it will be interesting whether the Patriots offer him a tender, considering his injury history the last two seasons.
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    Thank You...
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    Sorry man, I just think its going to be a quiet, quiet offseason coming up.

    If you want to go big, follow the Redskins for a bit. This time of year is when they really start to play ball.
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    Do you deny the leg stomping incident by Meriweather in the Miami - Florida International brawl? Do you deny that he was suspended for one game by the university for his participation in the aforementioned brawl? Do you deny the shooting incident in which Meriweather concealed a weapon in his pants? Way too many red flags for the New England Patriots organization.
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    Yeah I know, but Im like most Pats Fans, I wish we waited another week before we talk off season..
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    Check the thread on the draft board. It's not clear that he's a bad guy. Maybe he is but it's not as clear cut as you're trying to make it out to be.
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    Oh Please! You are rationalizing his behavior due to your own personal biases. Fortunately, that's not how the New England Patriots front office works. It's time to take off those orange colored Hurricane glasses and look elsewhere for a potential free safety in the 2007 NFL draft.
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    No, I just asked the question. I don't want jerks on the team but I don't want to blindly cross guys off for mistakes if they're unlikely to be repeated.

    Sounds like he made a solid impression at the Senior Bowl :

    http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm

    "plus Meriweather, who has seen his stok drop in part because of some non-football stuff, played with enthusiasm and appeared to emerge as a leader on the field."
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