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How would You rate BB's Time Management Skills?

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  1. brady199

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    I know a lot of people are blasting Sanchez for taking the timeout early at the end of the 1st half, but about 20 seconds before he did, I found myself wondering (like so many times before) why aren't the pats taking a timeout here? In the end it didn't make much of a difference since I believe the Pats went into halftime with one timeout in their pocket.

    The last few weeks everyone has been saying BB needs help with Coaching and GM roles. I don't have a problem with how he basically does everything, but I do think he needs some help with Time Management towards the end of the half and at the end of the game.
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    His time management is second to none imo. Remember last season when the ran the ball purposely not the score on first and second down to run down the clock before going for the touchdown in the first half, was it against the Ravens? I can't remember which game but it was just another example of his great clock management.
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    I tend to agree.

    Giants game is another case in point.

    Brady is just sitting there chucking it inot the end zone with 2 min left when anything inside the 5 is a first down.

    I would have preferred to see them get the first and do two running plays for the TD or go back to gronk but burn another 30 secs.

    Also back in the SB he had similar issues right at the half as I recall.

    Not sure how much is BB and how much the OC or even Brady or Def captain executing calling TOs or managing the clock; but BB likes to say he is ultimately responsible so I give him a C.
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    In the case of the Giants game, the outcome you described is obviously aslo what Brady and Belichick had in mind. That being said, if you thing you have a guy open in the endzone you don't simply look for another option in that situation, because you'd be getting a TD too soon. That's ridiculous.
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    They didn't take a timeout there because they only had two of them and it was only second down. BB is one of the best at time management. The idea of him needing help is laughable.
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    I wouldn't say it's laughable at all. He isn't terrible, but I'd say he has a lot of room for improvement. I just think saving the time there makes more sense even it was only 2nd down. They could of thrown on third down or scored a TD which would of stopped the clock anyways, and if not, they they could of taken another timeout. I just think more time is more valuable then a timeout or 2, because your offense can either use the sidelines to stop the clock or hurry up to save time.

    I know you don't want to get pinned at the 15 yardline and have to punt back to the Jets either, but the way this offense attacks and also throw in how bad the Jets offense is, that shouldn't of been an issue.

    Like I said, it's not just the game that left me scratching my head.
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    It's extremely, EXTREMELY rare that I think BB/Brady have made a mistake on time management matters.

    The example of getting a first down within the 5 yard line and then go for a TD to burn more time -- GREAT in theory, but this isn't Madden. What if you don't get the TD? You think that's easy? If you can get the TD, then you get it. Nothing else to say.

    It's also clear that the Pats coach the HELL out of their players when it comes to time management. I frequently see players on OTHER teams run out of bounds when they're trying to burn the clock, or stay in-bounds fighting for a couple extra yards when they need to stop the clock. Patriots players, by contrast, are VERY clock-conscious. Witness Deion Branch stepping out of bounds to stop the clock so we could kick the FG when he had nothing but green space in front of him. I also remember BJGE falling down before going out of bounds in several games to make sure the clock kept moving during clock-killing drives.

    Pats get an "A" on this overall. Absolutely.
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    There is no doubt that you have more control over stopping the clock when you're on offense. Between going out of bounds and spiking the ball, you can definitely do alot more stuff, obviously.

    But keeping 2 TOs is pretty damn nice. You really only have one, because you REALLY want to save one to set up the field goal team the right way. That's why we went into the half with one in our pockets. We scored the TD instead, but that TO was for FG use if necessary.

    The second TO is very useful because it means that a somewhat longer throw over the middle isn't going to result in a bunch of time being run off before you line up again, if you'd rather use the TO.

    So you're argument is BB needs help because he didn't call TO on 2nd down with over a minute left? Yeah, don't think that's much of a criticism to be honest.
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    I agree that other teams are terrible at times. I think it is one aspect of the game that a lot of teams mess up during the year.

    I only wish Woodhead had done the same during the Giants game at the End, before the Pats scored. Just for the record, I agree the Pats needed to score there, If a FG tied or put them up in that circumstance then they could of tried to take time off the clock. But I don't blame Woodhead going Out of Bounds on BB, but I do blame whoever called the play to stretch that far. I should of been BJGE between the Tackle and Gaurd, not Woodhead to the outside.
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    So, just for the record -- you're saying the Pats, losing by FOUR, should **ONLY** go for a first down, and risk not getting a TD. This when a FG will NOT tie the game.

    And you're criticizing BB's clock management skills? I'm thinking your GAME management skills are lacking. In a perfect world you're exactly right. In the real world getting a TD is no gimme and you don't take it for granted by tryign to run a play that will end within five yards of the end zone and then tyring to kill some clock before scoring a TD. That's just crazy.
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    He's the best at it, so he gets an A.
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    I agree, Woodhead should've just sat down instead of going out of bounds. In that situation, the clock was more our friend than enemy. We were either going to score the TD or not regardless of the time on the clock, so better to kill some than leave more for the Giants.
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    Always thought he was the gold standard on that and other situational plays. He's almost obsessive.
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    With pretty much any in-game, on-field decision that Belichick makes, even if I don't agree with it at the time I'm always confident that there is very strong rationale behind doing what he's doing. Best example that I can think of is the intentional safety, which made no sense at all to me at the time.
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    BB clearly should have called the timeout before Sanchez bailed him out. The Jets in no way shape or form wanted to leave over a minute for TB before the half and Sanchez did us a HUGE favor.

    It's pretty obvious that BB wasn't intending to call a timeout after the Jets finished up their second second down play and the clock began running down. This is a blunder in my eyes. Had Sanchez let that clock run down to the last second before the 3rd down snap, we might not be sitting here today talking about a Patriots victory. That extra time gave us the time we needed to think about 7 instead of just 3 and it really changed the whole momentum of the game around.

    As I mentioned before in prior posts. BB pulled this stunt in the AFCCG and let Peyton run literally 40 valuable seconds off the clock without calling a TO. That 40 seconds would have been invaluable to the Patriots when they got the balll back at the end of that game.
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    BB is the best I've seen at this; that gives him an "A". Note that he also gets credit for being (among?) the best at teaching his players to all consistently do the right things to manage the clock - which is a far tougher job than just making the right decisions yourself.

    I love it when the Patriots are running down the clock as they make a drive near the end of the half. So many teams are trying to preserve the clock when they are on the opponents 35 yard line, there's a minute twenty showing and they have 3 timeouts. That's crazy - and something like this happens every week. Any team with 3 timeouts should be able to get off 5 or 6 plays minimum in the final 40 seconds.

    This all being said, there are situations that I think should have been handled differently. Occasionally players run out of bounds when they should have stayed in bounds or vice versa. (I see players from other teams way too often try to pick up an extra 2-5 yards and not stop the clock when it's critical to stop the clock. What are they thinking?) I did expect BB to use a timeout when the Jets were driving at the end of the first half and believe it be a mild mistake that he didn't. Fortunately, Sanchez came to the rescue. ;)
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    Alot of people are saying that THIS week.

    They forget last week.....but that was really Woodhead's fault for choosing to go out of bounds deep in Giants territory in the 4th.


    (edit: I see brady199 and amnorix already mentioned this).
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    the argument of not calling the TO against the Jets to have 2 TOs instead of 1 makes no sense. If bonehead Sanchez didn't call a TO, then at least 30 seconds would have been run off. An extra 30 seconds is better than an extra TO because it does not take 30 seconds to get everyone to the line for the next play after a reception.
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    Uh, no. I said it last week too. and, Woodhead actually got a knee down in bounds. The idiot ref messed that one up badly.
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    Exactly, I would always rather give Brady the extra 30 seconds than an additional TO any day of the week. Brady can do so much more with the additional time than having an additional TO.
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