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    If Pats prioritize resigning Brady at 15-20 million per year for at least 4 years as they should

    and the CAP comes back in 2011 after new CBA

    Patriots may be pretty hamstrung to sign other top tier veteran talent.

    This may be why the Patriots are not dipping into the free agent pool.

    Other than a handful of other teams like the Colts and maybe the Saints, how many teams will be investing so many dollars in QB position?

    If you add inn Wilfork and Moss' contract that could be as much as 38 million dollars per year for three players
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    Re: How will resigning Brady impact PATS ability to afford talent at other positions?

    Like those unsolvable math problems with too many unknowns, the plethora of hypotheticals and lack of certainty in quantifiable numbers makes the question unanswerable at this time.
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    Re: How will resigning Brady impact PATS ability to afford talent at other positions?

    They should feel fortunate they have a franchise QB worthy of spending that much money on. The Colts & Saints just faced each other for the SB - that right there should tell you what the most important position on the field is.

    On the one hand, I can see Brady taking another hometown discount - he seems like he has his priorities straight in life and probably isn't exactly hurting for money. (Heck, his wife was making $30+ million a year until she has since ventured into motherhood)

    On the other hand, he's involved with the NFLPA right now - and it might be frowned upon if he takes anything less than market price for himself.

    I think 6 years, $100 million is a good middle ground. It doesn't handcuff the team, it looks good on paper for Brady - and therefore the PA - and it adequately rewards him. It might end up looking light next to Manning's impending contract, but I doubt that concerns Brady.
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    Re: How will resigning Brady impact PATS ability to afford talent at other positions?

    Right now is the perfect time to sign Brady with the uncapped year. If Kraft is serious about locking down Tom then now is the perfect time to do it with a front loaded contract. If not then I will have to rethink how the Patriots treat their players.
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    At this point you're pretty much just looking for something to complain about, aren't you? Horror of all horrors, we might actually pay a HOF QB market-rate salary. God how it sucks to be a Pats fan.
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    Re: How will resigning Brady impact PATS ability to afford talent at other positions?

    If I was Brady I wouldn't sign a contract until this organization led by the Kraft's show him some commitment to getting him play makers. The last time he signed a contract he took a home town discount because he wanted money left to pay the players around him. So what happens Givens leaves and Branch is traded, why over money that Brady essentially left on the table. So instead we play a whole year with Reche Caldwell, Doug Gabriel and Jabar Gaffney who was picked up half way through the year. The Pats came within 1 minute of making another Super bowl which in my mind they would have won over the Chicago Bears. If this FO and ownership had made a few moves here and there and not let money dictate everything they do we probably would have a few more rings. They are the 3rd wealthiest team in the league with 2nd highest ticket prices who charge people $40-55 dollars to park their cars stop acting like you are the Buffalo Bills.
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    Obviously, if Brady gets anywhere near what people think he will get, it will affect the Pats' ability to make moves. I agree though that until we know everything, we have no idea how it will affect. Brady hasn't signed a contract yet. There is no new CBA.
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    Yeah, seriously, the Pats only acquired Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, and Jabar Gaffney since then. None of them were playmakers at all.
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    How many more play makers did he need on offense? He had Moss, one of the top 3 greatest receivers ever to play. Welker, A 100+reception machine. This team lacked play calling in a big way and it showed last season. It sounds like you want to create an All Madden team and call it the Patriots.
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    I think it would be stupidity of the highest order not to give Brady a large chunk for this season in a new deal, a thankyou for helping turn this franchise to what it has been the last 10 season's, taking discounts and generally being the face of the franchise.

    Why would we not do it, injury apart why not!?
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    This is a very nice gesture on Brady's part, but he's done it before and deserves that top dollar paycheck, of course, if he insists in not breaking the bank, then at least get something close. Its only fair to get what you deserve.
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    Re-signing Brady is a no brainer.
    Of course it has to be done!

    I am merely trying to figure out if this is why the Patriots want to have no part of free agency this year.

    Does the potential future Brady contract dictate the approach they are taking this offseason with reagrd to talent acquisition outside of the draft.

    If this is the case..it explains everything
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    They want to have no part of top tier FA this season because the top tier players are either aging or have red flag characture issues or both. The better FA are RFA's this season and trading for as well paying them doesn't represent value by and large compared to drafting your own in a very deep draft.

    BTW Brady's deal will be for more than Eli and Phillip or Ben or Brees when the dust settles, and a little less than Manning because Brady doesn't measure himself in contract dollars and he doesn't let his agent either. He will be fine averaging $15M+ per and so will the team since BB believes a franchise QB should take up no more than 10-12% of cap. The cap midway through his next deal will be at least $140M. What Brady will also get is more guaranteed when the fine print is read and more in the first 3.
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    If you're a Jets fan, what else are you going to say?

    All you can do is have two complaints ready:

    1) Pats will pay Brady what he deserves because they are desperate and classless and the high salary will ruin the team for years to come.

    2) Pats won't pay Brady what he deserves because the are cheap and classless, and this will ruin the team for years to come.
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    I don't get those who say the Pats took this Free Agency off. All teams have players become FAs every year. You can re-sign them or let them go and sing a FA from another team. Signing your own FAs isn't a whole lot different than losing a FA and signing another one at the same position.

    And yet people keep saying that signing our own FAs doesn't make us better. And yet, not signing them makes us worse.

    Whatgever. The silly season seems to have started early this year. Can't wait for June and July.
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    Re: How will resigning Brady impact PATS ability to afford talent at other positions?

    Brady shouldn't settle for anything less than perhaps a token amount under what he's worth on the open market ("token" = if he's worth $120 million, he takes $115 million). Both he and his wife are entertainers with short shelf lives and they should both maximize their earnings power as long as they have it.

    IMHO, without TB, there are no Lombardi's in Foxboro and there is no dynasty; he has earned every dime the Pats have already paid him and owes the Krafts nothing but his 100% effort for the money they pay him. He should receive whatever that he's worth.

    Don't get me wrong, I hope he stays with the Pats until he retires, but I won't hold it against him if he can't come to terms with the Krafts.
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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    No good of signing Brady long term if that is going to be the reason that the team can't get a reasonable talented group around him aside from Welker.

    Realism says at about 35 years of age an NFL QB's productivity starts dropping rapidly,only guys like Elway and Gannon ect: overcame it but then again those guys never won a title or were very close to one until they got old,Gannon never got it done though.

    I would think signing Brady for about 3 or 4 years would be the best way to go and time to look for a replacement within the next 3 years.
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    If I was Brady, I would like team to make sure that I have a strong receiver corp. It's a passing league now with all the rule changes limiting the defenses, I got to make hay like Manning and Brees.. with Welker down and Moss aging, the team needs serious infusion of young receiver talent. Brandon Tate is a project. Boldin would have been perfect, Marshall would have been perfect. Mason might work too. But the team is just not spending to bring in a capable WR. If I only have 1 or 2 starter quality WRs to play with (being generous here and count Edelman as a starter), and I turn around see manning have five starter quality WRs, I got be a little pissed.

    What's the point of discount if you are not giving me player makers? I could go to eagles, or steelers even cowboys where I can contend for SB every year and play with a great set of WRs and piling up a bunch of passing records.

    I would demand a bigger say in offense and personel like manning does; I need my team to keep on drafting wrs even when we have hit one after another. I need my pipeline of Gonzeles, Garcon, and Collie. Not Jackson (bust) and Tate (hurt) and be done when you have not give me even one starter. I need you to spend 3 picks on WRs in 1st 5 rounds since you have not signed any proven Wr this year and since I won't have Welker. I don't want to stand there getting killed b/c scrubs that can't get open. If you don't like it, I will walk b/c it's better for my health, better for my stats, and better for my career that I find a team that have strong WR corp. If I was Brady's agent, that is the advise my client needs.

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    Re: How will re-signing Brady impact Pats' ability to afford talent at other position

    Or perhaps Kraft realizes there is a good chance that there will be a lockout in 2011, which means there is no need for a new contract until after he knows what the new cap is based on that new CBA.
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    No the point was they threw away a year 2006 when the guy was the best qb in the league and he proved it by almost getting to the Superbowl with sub standard Wr's and why because they "The Pats" always have to win at the bargaining table they let their ego get in the way of negotiating a fair deal with Branch and Givens. Don't you get it they won superbowls with those guys and haven't won since. Because they let these guys go they had to trade picks to get Welker and Moss wasted a 2nd rounder on Chad Jackson instead of drafting another young defensive player and imagine if they had kept Branch and Givens and added Welker. You see thats my issue with this team too many times the bottom line with this team is the almighty dollar. I used to go to their games when you could walk up to the ticket window at 12:00 the day of game and get great seats. I used to wonder what it would be like to have the best qb like "Montana" in the league on my team. I have that and I want more because those guys don't grow on trees and I think the Pats have not taken advantage of what they were given by the football gods. If you know anything about football the QB is the key and he has to have weapons.
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    Lack of playcalling? Or one-dimensionality on offense? I'm no big fan of Bill O'Brien after his first year, but he wasn't working with a loaded offense. Having 2 elite wide receivers and nothing else beyond it just doesn't cut it - frontloaded talent doesn't win in this league, balance and depth does. Just look at Indy and NO. Wayne, Collie, Garcon, Clark, Addai, Brown - Colston, Meachem, Henderson, Bush, Bell, P. Thomas, D. Thomas, Shockey, Moore.

    With the Pats - it was Moss, Welker, Faulk - and that's it. I'd much rather have the 2003/2004 receiving units that, while lacking a #1, went 5 deep, and had a more reliable running game (in 04 at least).
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    I'd be shocked if he doesn't reach an agreement. It's a fair point that he and his wife have careers with short shelf-lives (though modeling can probably go on longer than one would think) - but both are legitimate celebrities who will certainly have their fair share of opportunities to make money in other ways.

    But again, that may be aside the point - Brady seems like a level headed guy. If he wanted to make more money, we'd know it by now. He's been underpaid literally since the day he took over for Bledsoe, and he hasn't complained thus far. I can see him taking 75% of what he could get on the open market, and I don't think thats a sign of weakness. Rather, it makes him a better man for realizing he has something good here and willing to prioritize that over money, which too few athletes are able to do.
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    I'm sure Brady thinks about the money but i think his legacy is more important him the championships is what he craves. Like i've said before this is going to be a tough negotiation this time around they screwed him the last time with the Givens and Branch debacle.
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    Time will tell, but I doubt that he'd take a 25% haircut. I disagree that maximizing his economic potential is some sort of moral weakness, as is implied when you state that taking less money "makes him a better man."

    I think these guys (from Tom Brady on down to a lineman working for Veterans' Minimum) have every right to get what they can get when they can get it, given that their careers can end on any play, even in training camp, and given that the average NFL career spans 3.5 seasons.

    I don't think Brady's going to insist on being the highest paid QB, but I think that the differential between what he's worth and what he takes will be a lot closer to 5% than 25%.
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    brady, will get something like 12 to 15 million a year. the pats will still have about 10 million of cap space if and when they bring one back. or let moss and he's 9 million a year walk and you have lot's of room to sign all the JAG's and rookies the pats want lol
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    Many of the struggles to find WRs are self-inflicted... the team has been getting by with the absolute bare minimum on WRs; dipping into street free agent Gaffney and Coldwell for #2 and #3 WR to pair up with an aging Troy Brown is just reckless.

    I hope Brady drive a hard bargin this time. I rather Brady get every $ he deserves and give to his charity than let BB waste it on guys like Woods, Crable, and Aiken.

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    Are you suggesting that Brady will not be re-signed until after this season?

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    Why do I have the suspicion that this thread has arrived at its rating through one 5 and three 1s?

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