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  1. Holy Diver

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    How will all this affect our pass rush?
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    Very much the wrong forum.
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    OH SNAP!!!!....


    MOVE this to the POLitical Forum!


    my bad!
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    good book - everyone should read it! Wrong forum, right book!
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    Bah, Palin is made of glass.
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    This thread reminds me of a Brett Favre pass. Thrown in the wrong direction.
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    Hahaha.....

    Thats what I get for having two windows open at the same time.

    VERY Favre-ish...
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    Matt Taibbi is not a good source of insight into the American public or even the Tea Party. Anyone who spends 98% of their time in NY, LA, DC has no clue what America feels or is thinking.
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    huh?


    again...dismissing factual reporting because of some crap that has nothing to do with the subject matter.


    This is almost the EXACT point he is making.
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    The Mad Hatter just called, he wants his Tea Party back. Says the people who hijacked it are are really crazy.
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    Really? Aren't NY, LA and DC part of America?
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    almost 20% of all americans live in and around those 3 cities....
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    Yeah I thought it was odd, I watched the article, and really didn't get the sense that the Tea Party was suckered... I think they made the point that they have valid concerns about government overstepping their bounds, BUT corporate America took advantage of that.
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    Where do the 80% who do have a clue what "real Americans" think live?

    Maybe San Francisco? Chicago?

    :D

    Go far enough down that rabbit hole and we're liable to find out a very dirty little secret... that most Americans don't have a clue what "real Americans" think -- because "real Americans" are, in fact, outnumbered by those who only claim to be American by dint of birth or naturalization.

    PFnV
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    I didn't say they weren't...

    But there is a distinct different perspective between people in NYC, LA and DC than the rest of the country even the smaller cities.

    And it's a bit annoying that the 20% set the tone and try to capture what the 80% really feel. This is why they have highly publicized "Trip across America" - becuase they have to create, and organize projects in order to venture out into America. See Time a few weeks ago.

    should we not be looking for people who do not need special trips to travel across America to write about what the Majority American Perspective is?
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    For the Record, I never mentioned "REAL AMERICANS" your reading what you want to read...

    I never said there were more Real Americans, so let's not hijack this thread into one of those discussions.
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    props on watching the interview, BTW.

    I believe thats the part that makes them 'suckers'

    how the menbers of the tea party (mostly average income americans) are duped into fighting the battles for Wall Street and mega millionaires.
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    But they ARE valid causes that effect at the minor level as well as the Macro level.

    Democrats use the same tactics... Putting 4 million immigrants on Social Security and Medicare locks up 4 millions votes for the rest of their lives... Everyone is playing an angle, on all levels, but the Tea Party has valid points, which do effect, and they do want changed.

    The HUGE bank bailouts occurred before the Tea Party really got rolling FYI. At the time of the Bailouts, the Tea Party was only a Ron Paul based system, the Bailouts created the Tea Party movement as we know it.
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    So you're saying that someone who never travels 100 miles outside of his little small town in small city America is better qualified to know what the Majority American Perspective is than someone who's actually traveled around the country and spoken to people other than his immediate neighbors would be?

    The "American Perspective" does not belong to a majority because America is not composed of a majority. The big city dwelling American holds just as valid a perspective as the small town dweller does.
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    No, someone who lives in their small town their whole life also has the same issue.

    One thing I learned while on one of my trips to visit the in-laws, I learned about William Allen White: William Allen White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    At this home, now a historical museum, they tell a story about how presidents would stop there on their way acorss the county and talk with the people of Emporia and such and get a healthy dose of what small town is feeling.

    So after seeing enough Matt Taibbi interviews on Real Time with Bill Maher, and other outlets, I just don't think he even represents even the moderate liberals I know very well.
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    The tea party got rolling for a number of reasons, most of which is that a black democrat was elected, and a black head of the republican party was put into power. The tea party was put into action by Freedomworks to combat the heathcare reform bill, mainly backed by bogus ghost stories about death panels, and the likes. The foot soldiers are average working republicans functioning on fear to promote ideas that will only benefit about 1% of americans.

    Its funny that the main slogan for the tea party is "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK"

    2 things.

    1) Do you want your country back to the taxation levels of Reagan? Bush 1? Nixon? where? because its higher than it is right now. Todays taxes are the lowest they have ever been.

    2) You want your country back? Don't you think the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan are saying the exact same thing, except there is actually an invasion?
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    but back on topic... I believe everyone in this country is playing angles, and coroption and corporate backed advertising campaigns to strike down good laws, or to put bad ones on the books didn't start with the Tea Party.
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    I'm not a Fox News Tea Partier, I'm a Ron Paul guy, and I think the Sarah Palin Te aParty message is too simplified and doesn't address the real issues.

    Where Ron Paul's Platform is based on a principled approach of property rights, limited government, and a sound money to prevent theft by inflation.

    To show you how amazing Ron Paul is, the Grandfather of the Tea Party... he is Refusing to join the Tea Party cacuas, becuase he feels it's being co-opted by the GOP...

    TheDC Exclusive: Ron Paul will not join the Tea Party Caucus | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment
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    I've never seen a group of people gather in such force to back political values that went against their own best interests.

    They are concerned about spending, yet back tax cuts that will cost 70 Billion/yr
    They are concerned about Jobs, yet back a policy that rewards outsourcing, and values profits over employment.
    They don't want to be tread upon, yet want to regulate a woman's right to choose, a gay couple's right to marry etc.
    Pro life, Pro-war
    Want ro reduce wasteful spending, but not the military spending, which is pretty wasteful, and occupies 1/2 of your tax dollar.
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    word, I like Ron Paul as well, but it sounds like you agree with Tiabi, and myslef here...and either aren't willing to admit it, or don't know.
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    I think we tax the wrong things, for the wrong reasons. I understand we need taxes, but I am against taxing me to ensure a 400 student school in no where Alaska gets more per captia funding than the school I actually have to send my future child too.

    I'm against the government groping me as a requirement to fly.

    I'm against taxing the entire population , collecting 1.00 from everyone in order to give a company a 300 million concentration of tax payer money as a kick back.

    I'm against people not protecting their freedoms and willingly giving them up for the guise of security at airports.

    I'm against a government which worries more about prevent people from drinking un-pasteruized milk, which killed I think 4 people last year, than they do about products that actually kill tens of thousands a year.

    I'm tired of money driving all decisions we make as a society, espeically in congress.

    I'm against the crazy efforts you can read about in the Agriculture world in this county ( see Monsanto, and how they have fed powerful people into government in order to get patents on strains of grain ) Patented life... Odd..

    There is a growing list of of government sponsored initiatives which are designed to maximize profits, reduce competition, and take advantage of tax payer money, and it's all done without regard to the people for which they are supposed to represent.
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    Gee still thinking the Tea Party is about Barry's race? How clueless.
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    I see what he is saying and I agree... however, I still think those issues on a micro level are still issues, and the corporations and politicians ( Obama gave them money too )

    I believe Democrats have a more cunning game that plays by the same rules.

    The more "help" they dole out to people who need it, the more they ensure you can't rise up and own your own company and business and make it even bigger.

    Take matching social security by the employer that is so championed by the left. All that does for small business owners is make it twice as expensive to start your own business.

    When I went from working for someone, to working for myself, my social security taxes went from 7% to 15% becuase I had to match myself. And every employee I have to match as well...

    Now I know big companies have to pay it too, but the percentage of capital effect on my bank account compared to larger companies impact me a lot more, and therefore makes it a lot harder for me to rise above working for someone, to working for myself.

    What that creates is a society of haves and have nots, and the democrats want you to always be working for someone to ensure they have a platform to tap into your anger. The more they hurt "Businesses" the harder they make it for the small guy to try and compete and break the cycle of depending on some business owner.

    Everyone has an angle, and the wellfare state has created more mindless uncarring voters and citizens unable to stand on their own, strike out on an idea, and turn it into something that could be the next big wave to our economy. for the Left, that's a good thing because it's in their best interest to keep you feeling like the rich men have it out to keep you down, and you need government to protect you, and therefore need more government...

    So yeah, corporate America used small town politics to line their own pockets, but this happened long before THIS election.

    Another reason to Love ron paul is he knows the source, an un accountable FED. As long as they can print money, politicians can do this.

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